EU leadership really needs to figure out that's it's damned if you do, damned if you don't with this shit bag....they might as well just do whatever the fuck they want and ignore him until he died.
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Right! Just do what’s what you need to do for the EU, and when he throws a hissy fit, hand him a gold bauble while telling him that he’s really great and that what you did was for him and it was what he really what he wanted all along. He’s our most gaslightable president ever. If the Saudis and Putin can do it, why can’t y’all?
Only five European leaders and three Latin American and Caribbean leaders have confirmed they will attend the meeting,
Which countries?
Together, the EU and CELAC represent 50 countries and 21% of global GDP.
The low attendance is expected partly because of Washington’s increasingly aggressive stance in the region
Doesn't this kill EU's international reputation as an independent global power?
It's even worse, from other sources:
The leaders of the 27 EU member states and the 33 countries of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC) will meet
That's 60 countries, not 50.
Nothing weird happening though, according to colombia1,euronews & ap. I was curious myself, but basically many hot LatAm & EU heads of states cancelled for many reasons ( COP 30, Melissa, local national issues) and it had probably caused a domino effect. Kallas, Sanchez and Lula were there though. Not sure what Trump sanctions have to do with this, as no other source mention them. Couldn't open the link so idk
The crown jewel is the EU-Mercosur free trade deal, which has been 25 years in the making and is nearing the final stage.
Lula surprised observers Wednesday by announcing that he would attend the summit even though Brazil was hosting the COP30 climate conference.
divisions in the Western Hemisphere over the U.S. military operation targeting alleged drug-carrying vessels.
This suggests an active Monroe Doctrine. Isn't it weird that the EU accepts that? That undermines EU and CELAC souvereignity.
If Brazil can attend, all COP30 reasons are excuses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
Not sure what Trump sanctions have to do with this
"sanctioned Colombian President Gustavo Petro. "
He is organising the meeting so there are additional tensions.
"sanctioned Colombian President Gustavo Petro. "
He is organising the meeting so there are additional tensions.
Tnx. Seems Petro is quite controversial figure doing some great things, and also some werid stuff like supporting Maduro. Maduro isn't liked at all in LatAm, Chavez was more popular though.
I couldn't find anything on the EU stance on the venezuela boat strikes by USA. But Trump is doing crazy Trump stuff, and his violence & killing is against international law.
Venezula isn't part of the Mercosur, so politically irrelevant to EU & Mercosur. The regime is a destabilising factor in LatAm. It's also very sad for Venezuelans, great people, with great potential, but Maduro has to go first.
But Trump is doing crazy Trump stuff
The crazy part is that it works.
Why does Maduro have to go? Shouldn't a country be allowed to be socialist?
Argentina has just received $40 billion to vote for Trump's favorit. If Venezuela doesn't want to wait for a wall to appear, which other options would they have?
Venuela should have a (self exiled?) democratic elected and internationally accepted President ( opposition chief Edmundo González.)But idk what real options Venezuela as a people have under a dictator.
With "wall to appear" you mean the Gringo army, perhaps or?
Ed: name president
I mean the wall you were mentioning in your other comment.
It is clear what Venezuela should have, but can they have it if Argentina can't?
You mean if Vezuela can have 40 B us$, and/ or a democratic elected President?
Venezuela should have both, but probably Trump won't lend/give it I think.
I mean how can there be a democratically elected president if the election is influenced like that?
like how?
Like the $40 billion for Argentina.
I dont understand; what does the 40 B us$ Milei ( Argentina) got , have to do with Venezuela dictatorship and Gringo army exactly?
If Venezuela had an election, would any candidate but Trump's favorit win? The same effort as in Argentina would be made to have a desired outcome.
they had an election (in Venezuela )"already. I edited my prior remark with a link. don't know about the elected President except he lives in Spain now.
Milei in Argentina, was elected before Trump gave him money and even before Trumps administration.
So if you are asking me, then No, what you are suggesting(#) never was the case afaik. But if you have different information then I'm curious what you have. Everything I know was that (unfortunately idiotic imo) the Argentina president was democratically elected, just like Trump was.
In Venezuela there was an election but the diactorship of Maduro didn't step down, and there were protests and civilians were killed, opposition jailed.
Ed; the problem is foresee is that Milei who's loosing popularity, and should maybe step down?, might be endorsed by the 40 B of Trump's friend. The Argentina economy is doing very badly now and 40 B won't help, some experts say.
might be endorsed by the 40 B of Trump’s friend
What do you mean? That it influences his decisions?
Yes that too. He's like buying him. And also, I mean that It helps the current President to win more popularity with the people.
You asked for proof but I just have the feeling that the US do this all the time in South America, much like they do it in the EU.
Washington’s Soft Coup: How MAGA Politics Are Rewriting Europe
https://feddit.org/post/21574783
How can a small country like Venezuela have an election where the US doesn't try and succeed at letting the right-wing candidate win?
Ah yes for sure. In the past there are many examples: Check out Operation Condor and confessions of economic hitman.. This book had critique beacuse there wasn't enough proof, but imo, it seems like there is a kernel of truth.
And yes, in Europe USA, but also Rusia & China) have done and are doing it . That's power & geopolitics.
I thought you might know more aabout especially Milei election interference in Argentina when he first was elected?
Sometimes people make mistakes and vote for wrong party of persons. That happens all the time, so without interference people also make mistakes.
And ofcourse all major powers influence one and another. Either by diplomacy or by coercion or clandestine operations in more extreme cases. But not all choices are because external influences thats what I meant.
How can a small country like Venezuela have an election
Good question. Well anyhow, they had one in 2023 like I mentioned. And even with all fraud the opposition won. So that's a strong signal. Iirc, Trump is supporting some Woman candidate?
Add; normally the U.N send observers to sort of check whether a country had fair elections. ans they then advise the U.N.
Well anyhow they had one in 2023 like I mentioned.
By the logic of power, wouldn't that be the candidate supported by the US to reprivatice the oil production? In that case, how much does that victory count as the will of the people?
By the logic of power, wouldn't that be the candidate supported by the US to reprivatice the oil production?
Probably, but idk. Also most countries outsource their oilwinnings anyway. The question is to whom indeed, and what kind op deal they'll make. Right now, afaik, the oiloutput is just a margin of what it was ( see graph).
In the end that's something the representatives of the people will have to decide when the times come, and hopefully they make a right choice, or maybe they are corrupt. We'll see. Usually Venezuelans ( which have a strong socialist history) don't like and trust the USA very much, so maybe not? Or maybe they're despepate and will go to extreme right, like Argentina. Venezuela is now a very very bad place to live in, the people are desperate.
EDIT: " Maria Corina Machado is a very capable politician. She’s captured the imagination of the vast majority of Venezuelans, as was evidenced by her victory in the primary and then having her second substitute, Edmundo Gonzalez, win an overwhelming electoral victory in July of last year. " According to an interesting politico article also centre right politically according to wiki This means it's like 90% that she'll work with Trump. So your assessment was correct.
The crazy part is that it works.
From an ethical/philosophical pov I agree: Crazy A.F. And from a pov of groupthink and Power dynamics, bullies & assholes get away with a lot of stuff, until they hit "the wall" and crash. I hope sooner rather than later.