I would personally recommend starting with a Pi-hole. It's easy to set up and provides an immediate improvement to your whole internet experience.
Try to follow the official guide or use a Docker container.
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I would personally recommend starting with a Pi-hole. It's easy to set up and provides an immediate improvement to your whole internet experience.
Try to follow the official guide or use a Docker container.
But pihole is not a photo backup
But a great start to get into selfhosting. What's an IP? What is a DNS? How do I connect to via ssh? What's the job of DHCP? Pretty basic stuff, your learning in the process.
Yup. You got to start with the tedious and the boring before you get to the glamorous where your friends 'ooo' and 'ahh' about your set up.
Documentation, take notes on what you setup, ports opened, accounts created. This will be very valuable when you envitally get services setup and forget about them.
Judging from your comments, you seem to be lacking some basic knowledge and skills to get started.
None of the comments here are useful without getting those up to speed.
You definitely might want to start of looking into networking: how do computers connect to each other and the internet.
Since you're using Linux Mint, I do assume you have some basic knowledge of using the terminal and basic commands.
Next you might want to learn Docker, which is useful when learning self-hosting, as most solutions will have an option to use that.
@Hawk @Toasted_Breakfast I get where the thought is coming from - Playing around with a cheap #OpenWRT router can be a way of getting an idea of routing and networking. - They have a gui and config files you can edit directly. You can figure out things like a #firewall #portforwarding - That kind of thing.
Ooof, yeah reading their comments, I agree.
OP, if you're reading this, start even smaller. Not everything has to be right in your house.
I been deploying web apps since 2010, and I jumped right into self hosting during the pandemic and it was a massive headache or challenges I wasn't prepared to face or maintain.
I gave up (for now) and just used open-source apps and AWS, because I needed availability. And every few months, I do a bit more to one day move everything to pure self hosting.
Going by your comments, I think you need to know a few basics before you get into people's suggestions for actual services. Start with this: more or less, "the cloud" is just someone else's computer. It's bigger, the connection is faster, etc., but the services you use most likely run on a Linux computer much like the one you already have.
For experimenting with the topic, it would be good to have another computer that you can mess around with and not worry about having a usable machine. If you can cobble together a desktop from old parts it will be enough to start the learning process.
KDE connect and/or Synching/Syncthing-fork.
I don't think you're ready for self-hosting, but getting these installed and sorted out will help you move along that path, plus it will meet your needs in the mean time.
Bit, as others have suggested, get familiar with networking a bit.
You might want to get a raspberry pi or cheap SBC with a good amount of memory and disk space, and fuck around for a bit, trying some things.
Agreed. Syncthing is the first thing everybody should have. Takes care of some many things already that half the (self-)hosting is not even necessary anymore.
Take this anyway you want but one good thing about ai is they've hoovered up all the guides, instruction manuals, and troubleshooting forums. They can give you advice, help you install, and troubleshoot when it breaks.
@Toasted_Breakfast @Faltsm Garbage in . Garbage out. If the content is focused in applications AI will just relfect that. Its not a thinking function.
And even if its only trained with the best content you still need to know the questions to ask.
Buy a PC, install debian, install tailscale, install immich. Done.
This is kind of an info dump and I havent fully gone through to verify everything but this is a guide from a trusted ytber explaining step by step how he setup and managed his self hosting environment.
For a more bite sized entry into self hosting just join the community (like you are now) and learn about the different services people are hosting and when one sounds good then look into how to set it up and ask questions along the way.
@Fizz @Toasted_Breakfast I had a look at a few guides. They all come with a few assumptions and get into details but I was thinking that any guide needs to cover:
options:
Infrastructure - e.g. VPS/bare metal at home ,
Applications - nextcloud, media server, home automation etc.
Middleware - identity/authentication/ reverse proxy, backup, email, Patching/updates , xdav and other support tools for mobile,
Networking - home network, subnets, vpn/tailscale, firewall, port forwarding, static ips., ipv6
Get yourself the cheapest n150 box you can, the 4 port versions are good im case you decise to upgade and convert it to a fw later. Get a 4tb 2.5 ssd if you afford it and a chewp dual or more jbod external for safe backups.
Every year upgrade and stick to proxmox and opnsnese untill/unless you have reason otherwise.
why sdd for storage? 4 tb hd costs less than half of an ssd. even for the system it's enough, if you can stomach a 20 sec boot instead of 5
I keep seeing similar pricing for both, 110-130€. Could you please share where i might find cheaper?
oh okay if you can get a 4tb ssd for 130€ that's a good deal, if it's not a scam
This was just posted https://itsfoss.com/self-hosting-starting-projects/
@portnull @Toasted_Breakfast I don't think these self hosting articles are that useful and much more than a list of applications. They send people off in the wrong direction.
They only answer that 'what do I want/could I do' but they don't answer the 'what device do I want to do it on' and 'where do I want to be able to do it' questions - They also don't answer the 'what do I need to learn to do it' - what do I need to protect my data?
And frankly I think they take the wrong approach when there are now more comprehensive solutions that could put selfhosters in a better position and get them thinking about questions like 'What happens when the cheap laptop I'm running this on dies/house catches fire/ How can I stop someone get into my application - How do I not forget all these passwords? - Sure they are great to play around with but would you really recommend anyone start ouy by spinning up Nextcloud and then putting stuff on it they really don't want to lose?
Sorry that might sound grumpy.. I don't mean it to be. Its great that people are being encouraged to try - but they should also be really early on talking about things like 'doing things with a friend or a group of similarly interested people' (I know that sound weird - but you need offsite backup people .. and someone to be able to step in of something happens to you .. or things go wrong. (It takes a village to raise a baby)
Nah not grumpy just good additional advice. Thanks for taking the time to add to the conversation
Initial self hosting should be non critical for yourself only for the reasons you mention. After you have worked out kinks and learned more about it all you can start using software for more critical tasks. I still don't use my self hosting for anything apart from myself (except jellyfin for family) because I don't need the pressure of availability :)
If you really want to self host but you aren't interested in a lot of dirty work then you can get a Synology and use Synology photos, right next to Synology drive ( Google Drive substitute) and everything else substitute.
It "just works" and it handles all of the updates/security for me. Even includes secure enough access via quickconnect so I can connect over the Internet.
That said it costs more than diy, and I have hardware limits. I can't just get 2 more drives and hook them up. I have a 2 bay Synology so I would need a whole new unit to get 2 more bays. It's better for me to just buy bigger drives.
Software wise - if it isn't in the Anyone App Store then you can just use docker so it covers everything.
But as someone who is already busy enough with a full time tech job and 2 kids. This solution works for me
@Toasted_Breakfast How aboit starting with something like #yunohost
I can confirm that Yunhost is one of the best ways to start learning self-hosting. The only "bad thing" I can say is that sometimes it's so easy that you actually don't learn any thing.
Another +1 for YUNOhost. I went from zero experience self-hosting to having my own email, fediverse instance, file server and several websites on a VPS. I would never have had the patience to figure this out without it.
Buy used enterprise hardware for cheap, install Unraid, dip your toes in... Then if you enjoy tinkering, evolve from there.
Unraid does everything I want so I've kinda plateaued for the moment.
One option you could explore since you didn't list any other equipment, is a cheap VPS. You can pick one up at LowEndBox for cheap. I have a couple VPS test servers that run about $25 a year. That would help you get your feet wet a bit. You could learn how to deploy Linux server along with the standard defense systems in place like Fail2Ban, UFW, etc.
Or even a small NUC or RPi.
for "photo storage backup", you can simply use syncthing.
unless you want to really learn to "self host"
Immich is a fantastic photo backup service that is a replacement for Google Photos both in form and function.
There's a demo at demo.immich.app to see what it looks like and what you can do with it. As far as self hosting stuff goes it's relatively easy to setup. Work through the setup guide and see if you can understand that to get it running.
What it will do is make it available on any devices on your local (WiFi or wired) network. You will need to open a port on the Linux box's firewall, but that step is easy and I can show you how to do that on Mint. Then you'll be able to connect to it from your phone or any other devices (or right from a browser right on the server).
If you have any questions feel free to ask. I have a few things running on a Mint server I have.
Well for starters if you want something more out-of-the box, just buy a NAS. But what woult be better is to buy a Raspberry Pi 5 and add a micro sd with good amount of storage or maybe some additional external storage and install CasaOS(this is basically a easy UI that allows you to self-host mostly without commands) and install Immich within its App Store, and link it up with your phone(on the Immich app).(If you need any more help DM)
If you are interested in the photo storage then start..... With the storage.
So pick up a nas or something similar, pay a bit more for the super intuitive fancy gui product and the start from there.
Learn what is nas and how to connect to a pc Thne learn how to do the same with your smartphone Then learn a bit about networking Then... Continuous for the hardest itch and try to Scratch it
And if you need support, come back here, check videos and web pages or even chatgpt, for the basic stuff is quite acceptable