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Google: "Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified. We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren't tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands."

Thank god. I would've ditched Android for good if this went through, and while it sounds like it would be annoying for casual users to enable unverified apps, at least we can still install them.

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[–] dorumon@lemmy.cafe 44 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

So I just read what they are going to do and this article is just clickbait. Basically they still want you to dox yourself but it'll still work like iOS Test Pilot. Google is still full of shit and lies but hey at least you don't have to pay them money until enough users download your app if you want more.

So it'll basically still kill apps like F-Droid or you downloading an app from the internet to run on your phone. You'll basically have to signup to install third party apps on your device per app in general and alot of the convenience and developer community will still just leave android as a whole.

All in all really bad decision on Google's part while also extending this to things like fireOS or whatever the fuck the Quest 2 and 3 will run as a skin of android. This will make sure they would be forever stuck on older versions of android; lest they have to contend with the new upcoming android features that will enforce this that will be baked into the operating system next year. Even without Google Play Services like I read.

Personally I don't think developers should have to sign up to Google and provide ID cards to basically have a limited amount of users use their specific app outside the app store.

Google obviously is feeling threatened by better apps that more people are using on platforms like F-Droid compared the outright subscription based shitware and adware on the playstore. Which is why they are doing this. But like platforms before like inturn Symbian. I personally think it'll fuck them over so hard that'll they'll never recover while China or whomever else makes a new platform for you to run android apps on for a time before going all proprietary fucked up Linux. Just like Android again.

[–] Integrate777@discuss.online 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

They'll probably also release a new API to allow apps to check if user have enabled sideloading. Then overzealous apps like fucking mcdonalds will throw a hissy fit about it and refuse to work unless you turn it off. Also your bank too, just to really make it as hard as possible to include sideloaded apps. Sideloading will remain available, but so painful, most people just give up.

Just recently mcdonalds app stopped working when installed in a secondary profile. Long history of them trying to detect root hiding methods too. Fuck them. Once this sideload block thing arrives, mcdonalds would be the first to block it.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

Let em all shut me down. If they don't need my business, I don't need theirs. I just found out that Casio makes a g-shock with Bluetooth and you can screw with it using python and an unlisted API.

One more nail in the coffin for my smartphone footprint. I just want an 8" linux tablet, a watch that can give me messages from signal and a battery powered access point.

[–] dorumon@lemmy.cafe 3 points 10 hours ago

You know it's kinda funny that I can't even run the MC Donalds app without doing some fuckery. But my banking app will throw a hissy fit if I try to sign into my account without a rooted or custom ROMed phone because that's how they know it's me apparently. Also shame that my banking app stopped supporting Android 8.0 a few years back. I miss my LG V20.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Google also extending this to things like fireOS

it would not, because fireos was based on ancient versions of android like android 11 or earlier, and the block is enforced via google play services which isn't present on there.

but new fireos doesn't run android apps at all. New devices temporarily run android apps on a VM hosted on AWS servers and then stream the video, but only if those apps are distributed on the amazon appstore, and it's a stopgap until the devs make their apps compatible with the new OS.

And old fireos devices will start to gradually uninstall "dangerous" sideloaded apks

[–] SnowPenguin@lemmy.ca 11 points 17 hours ago

Good news, but it doesn't change the fact that Google tried to do this in the first place.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 61 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

For now. You just wait. Evil corp is gonna evil corp it all up.

[–] danielton1@lemmy.world 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I miss the days when their slogan was "Don't be evil"

[–] SnowPenguin@lemmy.ca 10 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, Google used to be the "Cool" company back then. I used to root for them.

[–] RacerX@lemmy.zip 77 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Straight from the playbook. Announce something terrible, then back off with something bad. Everyone calls it a win.

See: Wizards if the Coast, Unity

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 16 hours ago

And 5 years they'll try it again.

Do terrible thing A to test the sentiment, probe the reaction, backpedal a bit, admit caveats and facilitate pre-planned option B, try again after a few days and gocus on it died down.

At one point we'll need diff monitoring on the TOC and all other legal imprints :|

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No freaking way this was because of "feedback". This was because the European Commission will keep escalating their fines if Google keeps at it with the monopoly bullshit.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago

The EU is just a bit behind being maliciously lobbied to death (eyeroll).
(See Digital Omnibus Act)

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Google: "Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified.

And we will NEVER trust you again because we know you'll retry this next year or so in a few smaller steps that all have cutesy innocent names that are supposed to lull us in a false sense of security

Fuck Google, stop paying them for anything, stop using their services wherever possible.

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[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 90 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Don't consider this a win, guys, this is more of an 'Oh shit, we're screwed if we follow through with this right now' moment, there's nothing stopping them from walking this back at a later, less turbulent date when no one's paying attention, and locking Android down anyways, as this directly reminds me of the situation which caused WEI to be scrapped.

Also, the EU pushing Chat Control through the back door might embolden Google to both try an Android lockdown just like was going to roll out before, and try WEI again, and get both actually pushed through somehow.

I wouldn't even be surprised if MS were emboldened to try to lock down PCs... Again....

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[–] Plasma@lemmy.ml 185 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not sideloading, it's installing. Stop giving into this idea that installing other apps is somehow bypassing normal methods!

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I heard that if you don't get your groceries via Walmart+ delivery, then it's smuggling.

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[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 day ago (14 children)

It's still worse than before. Really need to break mobile away from Google and Apple. Preferably as close to standard Linux as possible

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Google: “Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified.

I've been side loading apks since I bought my first Android phones and am much more concerned about malware "safe" apps from Google's Play store. Google's quality control is shit.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren’t tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer.

Translation: if they want scamware, it better be from Google Play, where Google gets a 30% cut. On top of the cut they got for the phishing link in Google Ads.

And if anything thinks I'm being hyperbolic, go on Google Play and search for pretty much anything. Or turn off your adblocker.

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago

Helped a disabled pensioner recently with her phone that kept plaging loud obnoxious ads at her even while locked.

She had 4 different "virus scanners" that were all fake adware.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 73 points 1 day ago (9 children)

That's not good enough. They're just going to keep lightly pushing against the bad publicity until everything not controlled by Google on your phone goes away.

We need an alternative made without googles shitty hands in the mix. This forced duopoly between Apple and Google sucks. No phone competition in the US also sucks. Overpriced Samsung or a Google phone, while companies Like Red Magic have fan and liquid cooled phones with huge batteries, more ram, and more storage, for less than a grand being sold around the rest of the world outside the US.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 305 points 1 day ago (35 children)

Good, but I still don't trust Google and I really want Linux (you know what I mean) on my next phone.

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