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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Gripen is certainly not as advanced as F-35 but its operating costs per flight hour are only 1/5th of the F-35 which is definitely a big consideration when you don't have a US-sized defense budget.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What role does the jet have to fulfill? Fight off enemy planes in an invasion? If it's the US that invades you wouldn't want US tech, but it doesn't really matter, the US would win. Russia invading? At this point they're down to kites and helium balloons, right?

If it's to fulfill a role within NATO, a Gripen is probably just as good as an F-35, because any enemy of NATO's will almost certainly be many generations behind. China wouldn't be, but neither Canada directly nor NATO is likely to get into a direct fighting war with China. Only maybe if Canada wanted to help defend Taiwan against Chinese aggression could that possibly happen. But, because Taiwan's a small island, Canada's Navy would probably be the main force involved.

In a few decades, things might already have changed. Missiles and drones might have made fighter jets essentially obsolete. So, it doesn't make too much sense to buy something that's massively expensive just because it's the most up-to-date thing right now.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Likely there will be no such thing as a 6th gen fighter jet. The pilot will be replaced by AI, so the next gen will have completely different requirements.

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've been commenting on a bunch of threads the best way to deal with a bully is to tell them to fuck off and go play with everyone else in the playground. Glad we're taking the first few steps in the right direction.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

I hope they do it. Maybe the arms manufacturers will turn on Trump when they start losing trillion dollar clients.

Canada should never trust any US military contractor ever again

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

Thing the article conveniently leaves out, at least one of the "retired air force officers" works at (or did, seems to be some obfuscation) Lockheed Martin.

Of course they are against switching, they will lose their cushy lobbyist jobs.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago
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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't a major problem with the F35 that they can't fly in the Canadian north? Shouldn't we have at least some of our fleet that can be used throughout Canadian territory in our defense?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

I think they work fine as long as the hydraulic fluid is actually hydraulic fluid, and not water.

Don't leave your drums outside in the rain.

[–] remon@ani.social 12 points 2 days ago

I hope they do it! It's one of the few countries that can do it without hurting itself too much.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I have no idea about the technical aspects but, with Murica not being an ally anymore, the F35 basically needing permission from Lockheed Martin to take off, and the F35 tech in the hands of the Saudi's and soon China... the F35s are worthless

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[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago

Euro canards my beloved

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 8 points 2 days ago

MAGA would hate Canada escaping their abuse.

[–] mintiefresh@piefed.social 9 points 2 days ago

Elbows up!!

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