While I agree with the sentiment I also think that it's best for society if everyone contributes while realizing that some are able to contribute more than others. Essentially no freeloaders.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

You don’t deserve to be alive in this kingdom, but the catch is there is nowhere to live that is not owned.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I dont belong on this planet. That's why I have to rent space until I mercifully pass away. Giving birth is child abuse and the most selfish act possible.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Gruesome how we have social darwinists even here in comments

[–] VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Deserving to live and surviving are not the same. In the natural condition if you don't gather or hunt, you have no food. You die. You do not deserve anything.

Even in society you are not entitled to others working for you. However, in a civilised society we should provide for those incapable to provide for themself due to ethics.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think it would incredibly more desirable for society to have a firm social safety net (housing, food, healthcare). We have the technology and means to do so without breaking a sweat.

If we try it and society stagnates, we can always tweak it to incentivize certain types of work. Myself, I believe society would see vast improvements when people aren't surviving and living in shambles. I believe many of our current issues would be quickly solved once we are broadly able to slow down and think for a moment.

Deserving or not deserving doesn't really factor into the equation. We need to create and build a world worth living in. I want to live in a world where people are more free, healthy, and safe - where work is directly benefiting our communities instead of people being forced to slave in hostile work environments to barely make it.

[–] VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

In general I agree. People should be able to make informed life choices without pressure. However, I don't think universal basic income is the solution (see below). In Germany we have no public university fees and you can get Bafög; which is a far from ideal conditional income enough to cover housing and food while you study. You have to pay a part back once you are done, but far from all (at most 50%; often less than that). I wouldn't mind a study UBI.

I am for social security and social services that allow you to make an informed choice of what you want to do. Beyond that I am for "you have to work". But I am looking at "work" from an European perspective with all the protection laws in place and not an American perspective.

The main problem with UBI (Universal Basic Income) is that while tests showed benefits (highly depending on countries), financing UBI is difficult. So far no larger country has completely adapted UBI at least partly due to that reason. Also, no study was long enough to see the "people are less incentivised to work" issue.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thanks for your response and engagement. I appreciated hearing your perspective as a German/European in contrast to my perspective as an American.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (14 children)

And they wonder why nobody wants to bring a baby into this world

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you. I have been saying this for years (more than a decade now).

Feminism fought for the independence of women from abusive husbands/partners, by making them earn their own money, so they can be free. I would not say that the majority of the population feels particularly free today, because the economic situation strangles them. There is a new dependency created in stead of the old one: The dependency from the employer. Especially with at-will employment, a manager or higher-up can fire you at any moment, which can cause homelessness and despair. These are not good things that we want to have.

The logical consequence of fighting for freedom and equality is to fight for economic equality: People should be able to eat and sleep in peace, without having to worry about their circumstances tomorrow. "Equality" does not mean that everybody has the same amount, but that everybody has the chances they need to succeed in life.

We need a universal basic income, or any equivalent of it such as handouts in various forms.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Or, hear me out, we create a socialist government that make food, water and housing human rights and that works towards a communist world where everyone gets what they need and give what they can.

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