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In late October, Elon Musk released a Wikipedia alternative, with pages written by his AI chatbot Grok. Unlike its nearly quarter-century-old namesake, Musk said Grokipedia would strip out the “woke” from Wikipedia, which he previously described as an “extension of legacy media propaganda.” But while Musk’s Grokipedia, in his eyes, is propaganda-free, it seems to have a proclivity toward right-wing hagiography.

Take Grokipedia’s entry on Adolf Hitler. Until earlier this month, the entry read, “Adolf Hitler was the Austrian-born Führer of Germany from 1933 to 1945.” That phrase has been edited to “Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and dictator,” but Grok still refers to Hitler by his honorific one clause later, writing that Hitler served as “Führer und Reichskanzler from August 1934 until his suicide in 1945.” NBC News also pointed out that the page on Hitler goes on for some 13,000 words before the first mention of the Holocaust.

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[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Do not get the point here. He did in fact and historically used that name. So we are deleting history now because we are not supposed like Hitler or Elon?

Stalin was a mass murderer, so was Mao, yet they also went by some nicer names. No one has ever raised a serious issue about that.

I do not think anyone here is denying that Hitler was a National Socialist.

Slow news day, I guess.

[–] lefthandeddude@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

Musk is clearly a Nazi.

First, there's the Nazi salute. There's no reason to do that unless you are a Nazi.

Second, Nazis called Hitler my Furer, and he's rewriting it this way specifically for this reason. It is an honorific title and he's showing honor to Hitler.

Third, Musk deflects from accusations he's a Nazi ("that's a crazy thing to say") but he never responds by saying "What Hitler did was horrible and I'm not a Nazi and detest their ideology" which is what someone would say if not a Nazi.

The scary thing about this is Musk will soon control a large robot army. At that point, he could appoint white supremacists to lead the robot army and pick up where Hitler left off. This is a real threat for Jewish people as well as other minorities.

[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Third, Musk deflects from accusations he’s a Nazi (“that’s a crazy thing to say”) but he never responds by saying “What Hitler did was horrible and I’m not a Nazi and detest their ideology” which is what someone would say if not a Nazi.

This is the most important point, IMO. Fascists who want mainstream acceptance know not to have swastika tattoos and not to openly say they love Hitler. They will always try to have some plausible deniability. Don't get dragged into their bullshit arguments. There's no point in debating whether the nazi salute was some other motion that was misinterpreted. Even if it was, the first thing a non-nazi would do would be to clarify that they are not a nazi and don't want nazis to think they're their allies. Even if Musk had completely inadvertently stumbled upon the love and support of the nazis via a series of misunderstandings (lol), at this point in time he is deliberately choosing to be part of them.

Here is Musk at 3:08:01 saying he's not a nazi... and then going on to say you're not a nazi unless you're literally invading Poland and doing the holocaust. That is literally the only objectionable thing about the nazis. Not their "fashion sense or mannerisms". Yes that was a direct quote. There is really only one type of person that would not mention as objectionable the nazi ideology or all the acts of violence that are not at the same scale as the holocaust.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

"I'm not a Nazi, I just like the esthetics of someone else's blood on my black uniform"

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[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

He's just an edgelord. He thinks he's funny and edgy and everyone wants to be his friend. Inside he's a scared little boy who wants his daddy to love him but his daddy is a nazi who hates him.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (5 children)

do you know that you can an edglord doing nazi shit? a nazi. no matter the motivation, he's still a nazi.

[–] TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Thanks for reminding me to leave a donation on Wikipedia, seriously if we lose Wikipedia we are fucked.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Your money is better spent on archive.org

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] softwarist@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

Yet ... They probably don't need donations yet!

[–] ernest314@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

... idk, if Wikipedia is pissing off Deepak Chopra, I'm pretty sure that's a good thing...


edit: I think my downvote probably warrants a less flippant explanation. In the past decade, Wikipedia has started explicitly labeling pseudoscience and "alternative medicine" as such, as opposed to their original policy of being so "neutral" they would say things like "some people think this is bogus, but some people think not". This has, understandably, pissed those people off, and I suppose in some sense they are right? But in this era of widespread and accelerated sanewashing, I think saying these (true!) things does matter, and the people getting pissed off are really just telling on themselves. I would invite you to read the Wikipedia articles on the quoted public figures for yourself, and verify that they really were slandered the way they describe.

tangentially-related Hank Green video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zi0ogvPfCA

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[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What's the difference between this garbage and Conservapedia?

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Conservapedia is worse, remarkably.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not that remarkable, Grokipedia is largely plagiarized from Wikipedia whereas Conservapedia is fully hand-written by a bunch of idiots.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 3 points 5 days ago

Artisanal idiocy.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

this one's written by AI! how exciting and transformative! world changing!

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So the space obsessed man-child generated his own stupid encyclopedia, and for this generous all-giving knowledge resource he chooses a stylized BLACK HOLE for the logo.

It feels like the nerd equivalent to that quote about how the anti-semite arguing in bad faith enjoys seeing others frustrated by their hypocrisy. Here lemme just find that pasta...

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Jean-Paul Sartre

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 5 days ago

hes actually sex-obsessed with breeder fetish, the space thing is a cover for this.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

But Elon is not a nazi! All he did was give out his heart to the crowd in a roman salut!

You're not going to complain about a heartfelt roman salut, are you? That would be woke!

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Grokipedia would strip out the “woke” from Wikipedia

So are they removing the pages on Insomnia?

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Everything that fascist touches becomes corrupted and useless

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Simply put, Leon Hitler is a shitbag neo-Nazi.

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[–] greenbelt@lemy.lol 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It will be cited as a valid source for presentations at schools around the world lol

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 2 points 5 days ago

"Grok, is this true?"

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

the page on Hitler goes on for some 13,000 words before the first mention of the Holocaust.

i dunno, that seems a bigger problem to me than recognizing hitler's title was der fuhrer.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Just when that bastard would eventually get his comeuppance?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That’s the official turd Reich history. If we don’t win this will be what children will learn in the Shitler youth soon.

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[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

What a chode.

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