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The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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[–] Archer@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago (3 children)

10 comments and the pro Russia bots are already here

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is for the best. The US is a hostile power, and allowing it to embed enemy troops or sabotage NATO operations should not be permitted. Europe is better off without the traitorous Trump Regime.

It sucks that it has to be this way, but to deny the intent and nature of the current United States, is to invite disaster.

[–] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

While it may make Nato less credible in terms of military assets and industrial capacity if the US were out, it would make Nato more defensible in moral terms if the whims of Donald Trump weren’t a cornerstone of the Alliance

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

NATO/EU needs to start moving resources more into place. This will cause putin to have to move troops out of Ukraine to balance.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side.

This is discussed too rarely. Does anybody know of a source that makes a reliable comparison?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Well, France has the second or third largest/most powerful individual Navy in the world, and Russia has severely diminished trained personnel, so unless China enters it would be a one sided massacre in Europe's favor.

Probably why Russia has worked so hard on the south of Ukraine to secure the sea border even losing territory in the north.

The issue is when China enters, and whose side they will be on. Does Xi Jinpooh see more profit in helping his cabal of friendly dictators or would he just carve out a slice of the Russia Pie?

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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Only the former head of the US forces in NATO, Ben Hodges , has oftentimes said similar lines afaik, like here :

Europe should “quit whining” about the threats it faces and “act like the superpower” that it is, according to a former senior US army officer.

Generally, he's quite confident about Europe defending itself.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But does that come from genuine analysis of Europe’s capabilities or the desire to redeploy American forces from Europe to other theaters?

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