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Mozilla is in a tricky position. It contains both a nonprofit organization dedicated to making the internet a better place for everyone, and a for-profit arm dedicated to, you know, making money. In the best of times, these things feed each other: The company makes great products that advance its goals for the web, and the nonprofit gets to both advocate for a better web and show people what it looks like. But these are not the best of times. Mozilla has spent the last couple of years implementing layoffs and restructuring, attempting to explain how it can fight for privacy and openness when Google pays most of its bills, while trying to find its place in an increasingly frothy AI landscape.

Fun times to be the new Mozilla CEO, right? But when I put all that to Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, the company’s just-announced chief executive, he swears he sees opportunity in all the upheaval. “I think what’s actually needed now is a technology company that people can trust,” Enzor-DeMeo says. “What I’ve seen with AI is an erosion of trust.”

Mozilla is not going to train its own giant LLM anytime soon. But there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. “We’re not incentivized to push one model or the other,” he says. “So we’re going to try to go to market with multiple models.”

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[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

waterfox, pale moon, ironfox. there's your multiple models.

[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 17 points 6 days ago (17 children)

Once I saw AI being integrated into Firefox, my trust towards the Mozilla Foundation dropped permanently. I have now switched over to Vivaldi which is an amazing European browser that kinda mimics Opera in many ways (but without the spyware ofc)

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Firefox doesn't really need to make money so long as Google has to worry about being broken up by the Fed for antitrust reasons... Obviously so long as there is a national socialist/Trump regime in place that's not really something they have to worry about. Why, Goog even donated $5m to Trump's little Whitehouse evisceration/ballroom project, and will get their very own plaque in the ballroom that all the ballpeople can look at.

Google has donated over $USD 1B to Mozilla. The standard conspiracy fud is so that it can sink its claws into its open source competition, corrupting it with its omniscient googliness, but FIrefox barely blips on the radar of browser use, not even including Tor, Waterfox, Librewolf (which I'm currently using), and other forks. It's just not going to threaten any of the megas any time soon.

The actual motive for giving Mozilla so much money is simply to deflect any accusations that they're a monopoly that hurts market competition.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

good fucking god, why does it have to be this way ? do I have to program my own browser now ? is that what they want ?

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[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 days ago

I used to use it exclusively, but it slowly got bloated, so when I got rid of windows, I went to tor browser and librewolf.

I was having issues with Librewolf on a work computer a few weeks ago, so I decided to try Firefox to see if it was LW's security settings.

Holy shit, what a fucking trainwreck Firefox has become! It's so bad that I can't honestly recommend anyone use it anymore. The first time I started it, I saw all kinds of ads and trashy "news" articles that had no relevance to me whatsoever. Plus I had to reinstall all my extensions because they weren't signed and there's no way to disable that requirement. I was so horrified and offended, I just dumped it immediately and tried Chrome instead. What difference is there at this point?

It's just insulting at this point. I understand that they trying to find new revenue sources, and things are still better today than they were with Mitchell Baker as CEO, but it's still horrific how poorly Mozilla is being run. I'm so grateful we still have usable forks from the amazing people running projects like Librewolf. Without them, the web would just be flat out unusable.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Who is this a signal for though? They could silently add the AI features and rally their base on aspects people actually like. It's almost like Firefox doesn't want to succeed

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

Ive been wary if firefox since wheneved it was they decided it was okay to shove "pocket" into the browser. These days i dont see mozilla as anything other than anti monopoly insurance for google, which they obviously dont need anymore.

Mozilla as a company has just been a decade of one poor decision after another adding more bloat and doing nothing meaningful to counter chromes near monopoly.

Vivaldi isnt perfect and brave has its baggage, but at least they actually include adblocking out of the box, a feature that just about everyone wants. Sure its easy enough to install an addon to firefox for it but the fact that you even have to do that should tell you everything you need to know about who mozilla is actually working for.

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[–] skip0110@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

🤷‍♂️ ironfox exists

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[–] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mozilla has had decades to find a sustainable business structure that aligns with the values of its contributors and users, yet here we are...

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 6 points 5 days ago

I was hopeful for thundermail.

Not any more, seeing that.

[–] drath@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

As per usual, Google's funding selects the music, and the music is to sink Firefox down even further.

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