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It’s ironic that I find Hamas more believable than Israel. many people no longer trust the Israeli government
Which of the known genocidal liars do you believe? A) Israel B) Hamas C) none of the above
Hamas aren't genocidal.
Armed Opposition to colonialism is enshrined in international law.
Good for Hamas. Not likely that Israel does so.
I'm kinda wondering what the goal is here.
It's mostly been suppressed, but there's a good amount of footage from the day, recording it seemed like a priority. Like, here on Lemmy if someone could somehow avoid things getting removed and post the footage we'd just have someone saying it's AI or just generically sealioning and then whichever opinion felt more unpopular would be suppressed, but we're talking about organizations who can actually verify sources.
My best guess is they're hoping they find more bad stuff from Israel than Hamas, and that might be a solid play but I kinda doubt it. Most of the footage from the day of I've seen just make Israel feel kinda incompetent.
Israel wants to hide how many people were killed by the Hannibal directive, has made up a fake rape hoax and did much more lying to manufacture consent for the genocide.
Much of the Western audience still believes this obvious propaganda because Israel blocks all investigations into it and Western media uncritically repeats every Israeli lie.
Personal opinion, probably wouldn't affect either of those points much, most of the leaked footage I've seen is conflict between Hamas and people who at least look like civilians. It makes sense, you'd assume the footage from skirmishes where the IDF was involved and successful would be in IDF custody and most things would be kept secret along with anything negative likely being destroyed. Unless someone in Hamas is sitting on it for a mysterious reason, seeing any evidence of the hannibal directive recorded feels incredibly unlikely. I have also seen some footage from the day that doesn't outright show sexual assault, but would certainly imply that it could have been the next step and items like that combined with things like the UN report would be more than enough evidence for anyone in a position to do something about it. There may also be new stuff out there over the past year, I can't be the one looking at that footage anymore.
There may be surprises though.
They did kidnap a bunch of people and kill a load more, so they can fuck off.
It's funny because
Israel has been funding Hamas (Bibi himself has spoken multiple times about it) for many years, giving them the equipment to do October 7th.
Israel activated the hannibal directive according to their own (now former) defense minister on a live TV interview which means that on October 7th, many many many of the civilians and IDF soldiers that died were deliberately killed by the IDF themselves.
It takes 45 minutes to fly from end to end by helicopter. Many Israeli official has refused to deny that there was a stand down order, but the army was not deployed at all until hours and hour and hours later, when they could have driven with tanks there and back again multiple times, with an army of 165,000 in a country the size of new jersey, outnumbering them 28:1 with 100x the equipment on home turf (by Israels massively inflated numbers too)
Some of the Israeli hostages were not tortured in prison with Hama's by their own tongues, but were then raped when she got back to Israel. Meanwhile Palestinian hostages are tortured daily for decades, eyes gouged out, as well as gang raped and raped by trained rottweilers by Israeli forces, and civilian Israeli doctors don't report on it, but instead enable it.
As far as anyone should be concerned. Israel funded, executed their own attack of their own civilians, and enabled it by standing down as well as treated their own civilian hostages they took (and continue taking) 10x worse.
Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed and genocided for 77 years. Their occupiers are violent, racist monsters who control Western governments and brainwash people with their victimhood propaganda.
Frankly they can get fucked and go back to Europe where they're from.
My conspiracy is that it was really Israeli who attacked on that day and blamed it on Hamas. Because Israeli sure has used that day to commit genocide.
You don't need conspiracy theories when the facts are out there. Israel helped Hamas get funding in order to destabilise the government of the time. There is evidence that Israel knew there would be an attack and did nothing to prevent it. There was no need for a false flag attack by Israel because they had Hamas to do it for them. Hamas and Israel need each other to keep the perpetual war going. They are both appalling bastards who are happy to let their own innocent citizens die in order to keep their insane hatred fed.
Israel does not need Hamas, they‘ve been genociding Palestinians for a century.
Israel is a violent settler colonial project for a jewish supremacy ideology.
Hamas is a propped up excuse for Israel to continue this shit.
You are low key both-siding a genocide.
E: But since you‘ve been doing it all through this thread, you still need to be called out. So, where are you idiologically? You sure argue like a liberal Zionist, or are you just so sure of yourself, despite actually just repeating colonial talking points?
Yes cleary Israel has never done that or attack civilians and destroy their homes. Nope never, not once.
The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews.
I don't think that's the issue most people had with it, so I don't see how proving you're right about it would help.
Gaza has been levelled and its people starved on the ostensible statement of ‘getting hamas’. If the excuse for all of this was ‘Hamas killed people’, well Israel kills people therefore Israeli cities would be justifiable targets for the same treatment gaza got.
It’s not enough for the enemy to kill people. The enemy must always commit unspeakable atrocities. Hence the allegations of beheaded babies and systemic acts of rape. While you may think that it’s not important to investigate these things it clearly is, otherwise Israel would not be making such claims with no evidence.
Saying that your enemy beheads children and rapes women is all part of a dehumanisation strategy to justify genocidal acts and is common amongst oppressors to the oppressed. E.g. African American being characterised as hypersexualised savages who would rape white women in the jim crow south.
Most people are ignorant of the Nakba or the policy of "mowing the grass"