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[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 months ago

I checked the source and I can't find their full report or even their methodology.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

If they mistake those electronic parrots for conscious intelligencies, they probably won't be the best judges for rating such things.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 7 months ago

Its a friend the way the nice waitress is a friend when you go eat out.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

An alarming number of Hollywood screenwriters believe consciousness (sapience, self awareness, etc.) is a measurable thing or a switch we can flip.

At best consciousness is a sorites paradox. At worst, it doesn't exist and while meat brains can engage in sophisticated cognitive processes, we're still indistinguishable from p-zombies.

I think the latter is more likely, and will reveal itself when AGI (or genetically engineered smart animals) can chat and assemble flat furniture as well as humans can.

(On mobile. Will add definition links later.) << Done!

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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Those lovable little simpletons.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are we positive that they're conscious? I just think we should run some tests.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good question. Over the years, I've read a number of arguments about consciousness, or more precisely against machine consciousness. One thing that's striking is that the authors never apply the same logic to themselves or humans in general. It's like they completely lack self-awareness. If I took the whole "p-zombie" idea seriously, I'd look for such p-zombies. And these philosophers would be my first candidates.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My comment was in jest, but there is a reasonable argument that biological organisms are also predictive input/output machines. It's especially evident in simple organisms, like an amoeba, where some physical or chemical stimulus in the environment triggers a mostly predictable response.

The argument that human consciousness is fundamentally different - not just that it's more complex but that at some point the physical determinism of electrical and chemical impulses gives way to an authority that overrides that physical basis, enabling free thought or free will - remains scientifically unsubstantiated. We know of no mechanism by which that could occur.

And the philosophical arguments aren't much better - I've never seen a theory of dualism articulated in a way that doesn't invoke ghosts or magic.

[–] J52@lemmy.nz 3 points 7 months ago

Whatever, couldn't it also be that a technical consciousness will look rather different from what we assume? There are obviously less/none of some factors, ie emotional intelligence etc. But a tech super intelligence, if ever reached, may have a number of unexpected problems for us. We should concentrate on unexpected outcomes and establish safeguards.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I tried to explain a directory tree to one of them (a supposedly technical resource) for twenty minutes and failed. They're idiots. They were ruined by baby tech like iPhones, iPads, and now AI.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Anyone can understand a directory tree. Not everyone is smart enough to explain it.

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