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[–] rotelocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So the government running concentration camps bans trading with the one commuting genocide. I see...

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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (41 children)

Edit:

The discussion here has managed to sway me, especially when someone wrote this:

Being fried in a pan, the fire is starting to look comfortable?

That's exactly what the delusion was. From a blend of hallucinating the content of another metaphor (the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence), for a little while there I actually did wonder if the dry flames would've been less agonizing than being entirely submerged in this boiling oil. But it's not better. Plainly.

Furthermore I don't need to believe US propaganda in order to be cognizant of China's administrative and governmental shortfalls. Even if I didn't have any information telling me how "bad" China is, why would I trust any of the propaganda about how "good" it is? I don't have reliable information to build a conclusion upon either way.

But at this stage I'm no longer reflexively and mindlessly defaulting to "CHINA BAD".

even though people get real mad at me for questioning my indoctrination, i think questioning it has been a largely constructive experience.

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... huh.

man.

hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me--something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life...

but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I've had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn't it.

China was never the 'bad guy'...

They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I'm only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government's quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<

If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren't making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.

...

I would've been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just ... suddenly stopped holding water.

If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I'm still gathering information, though.

Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that 'social credit system' horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise 'social credit' was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.

Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.

So here's the thing: I'm reading all these anti-ICE news articles from within the US, but I go on baidu and qq news and can't find a thing criticizing Xi Jinping... hmmm... weird right? Why is that you think?

If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.

As an Naturalized American citizen born in China, I'd say if you are white and have birthright citizenship, you are, on average, in a better position than an average Han Chinese born in China. Maybe this would change in the future, but I'd still say for the time being, US is still better, at least if you are white.

There are edge scenarios where an Han Chinese could potentially have a better life in China, but that's not the case for my family. I lived in a shitty part of Guangzhou that tourists don't get to see, just like tourists visiting the US don't typically go to Flint Michigan, or Kensington, Philadelphia, PA

Also FUCKING HUKOU I was BORN IN GUANGZHOU and they never give me Guangzhou Hukou status... so my family are just treated as second class residents. Me and my brother were not allowed in Guangzhou Public schools. Our Hukou was inherited from parents, and they are from Taishan, its rural. So my parents ended up paying for privately-run schools that are lower quality of education in Guangzhou cuz otherwise we'd be left behind in the village and that would've been even more depressing.

And my parents had to be either busy working all day, or be looking for work the entire day. Didn't see them often, sometimes grandma wasn't even available to look over us and mom took me to work.

And don't get me started on the One Child Policy that NEARLY resulted in me being forcibly aborted by the CCP against my mother's wishes. Fuck them. They sterilized my mother for the policy violation.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

China is not bad. Well, it is, but its better than the US. Well, not better than the US right now, but will improve to be better than the US in some undefined amount of time. Well, not really improve, but the US will become worse... Maybe, I guess

I'm glad you put all the mental gymnastics in a single post and were can't ignore ask follow up nonsense

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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