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A consequence of the centralization of the web into fewer and fewer providers and monopolies is that talks of piracy dwindled on the internet over the years. Then with the streaming boom of the mid-2010s it was completely dead.

Now piracy has become a dirty word that people fear to utter. You can be banned on social media for talking about it, and most people just avoid the topic entirely. It's like jaywalking (you probably know the history but it was a 'crime' started by auto manufacturers to claim the streets back from pedestrians).

Talks of "it's on the pirate bay" have been replaced with 'it's on netflix. it's on hulu with ads. it's on amazon prime and they have a deal right now.'

And yes, this was really things people said. They would readily tell you to go look for it on thepiratebay, you had entire websites that hosted episodes of your favorite shows for streaming. I remember watching the simpsons on wtso, literally watch-the-simpsons-online. It wasn't just the circles I was in back in the day, people really talked more openly about piracy. Even when as far back as the early 2000s there were attempts already by the RIAA to equate piracy with violent crime.

People use debrid services they pay for just to watch shows when you can still torrent things as easily as before. They rationalize it as being cheaper than paying for streaming services - but I pay 0$ for stremio+torrentio addon. Maybe debrid services have their extra uses but they just seem like kind of a luxury from the way people talk about them. And yes torrenting works perfectly fine on a VPN.

Even wilder (but not unexpected) there are people who tie their self-worth to paying for streaming services. Apparently you're 'poor' if you don't pay 20$ a month for netflix. Even in the era of DVDs we already knew it was ludicrous to ask someone to pay 20$ for a DVD. IP gatekeeps media from people, it doesn't allow it to be made.

The message is clear: if you don't have money, you don't deserve to experience culture.

The economic arguments had been thoroughly discussed and concluded back in the 2000s already; studies showed that people who pirate are not likely to buy the content so there was no 'lost sale'. Piracy also makes a copy, it doesn't remove the original, so it's not the same as stealing.

For a while this gained traction, and then monopolies emerged and completely shut down any talk of piracy in the public sphere.

There's a talk of convenience, that it's more convenient to open up netflix or steam and buy the game or movie there. But is it? You have to login, provide payment info, etc. At its hardest pirating a game consisted of downloading the torrent, installing, running keygen, and then going on cdfreeworld or whatever it was called to download the no-cd fix. Today it's even easier, most games come in a portable format.

And yet it's never been easier to pirate things. Books, games, shows, are still just as accessible as they've ever been, maybe even more. Used to be emulating a nintendo DS at the time it was in production was out of reach of most people on their home computer, and you had to buy a super expensive microSD card that had maybe 256MB of space on it to run an R4 in your DS. Today, you can easily emulate the nintendo switch on a home machine. You can root your 3DS super easily by just following a guide, and even download games directly from an app on it (but I found it to be very slow bc of the wifi protocol the 3ds uses).

Not only that but piracy preserves material. All those IPs that holders just sit on and do nothing with because they might have a profitable idea for it down the line. All those books that don't get reprints that can still be read, and those games that can still be played when you can't find them in stores any longer.

Not only that but it creates fans who will go on to purchase media. It keeps licenses alive, so there's benefits to the capitalist corporations too. They just want to pretend it's a solved problem because they fear it hurting their bottom line. A lot of artists got discovered in the music industry by being widely pirated, which got them a record deal.

You also own your media this way; it's on your hard-drive. I remember when Steam became a giant in the video game selling business, people were worried about how you didn't really own the games. Steam can ban your account at any time and you'd lose everything you've ever bought from them. You have no recourse.

Emulators also help preserve games. Nintendo's own NES emulators aren't great, they fail at a lot of tasks. This is "just" the NES so they're pretty basic games, but this failure on tests means that emulation is not 1:1 accurate as if on a real machine and can start behaving strangely. Open-source emulators are better than the 'official' ones from the IP holders.

Even on here we self-censor about piracy and other topics so as not to draw attention to the lemmyverse. It's become a ubiquitous dirty word and in good company one must pretend not to know what piracy even is, because corporations demand it.

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Piracy is bad. Actual IRL piracy. What the US does on the high seas.

Digital "piracy" is not. Calling the copying and sharing of digital files "piracy" is ridiculous and stupid, and the very fact that we continue to use that language reinforces corporate propaganda about IP.

Piracy is theft. Theft is when you take something away from someone. Nothing is being taken away from anyone when you copy a digital file. The original still exists. You have simply created more of it.

So i for one will not use that term. To me it's just sharing. Sharing is caring.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

if I'm not mistaken yeah it was a term started by the copyright lobbies. But it's been reclaimed that it's kind of a point of honor in some circles now lol. You're right that it's not the same as piracy but I kinda like it, it's a fun term for something that is victimless.

[–] Sanya@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yarr, agreed 🦜🏴‍☠️

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

person who downloaded game of thrones once on a ship off the coast of somalia raiding a US convoy for ransom money (they wield the rocket launcher and are a valued member of the crew)

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You’re just bigoted against the high seas, landlubber.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

Great points

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I didn't think I'd make it this long, tbh this isn't a huge post or anything. One thing I want to add - indie companies are not any more ethical than huge conglomerates.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Indie is kind of a warped term, is part of it, I think.

Something like:

Expectation: Indie means independently funded and organized.

Reality: Small startups getting funded by angel investors presenting themselves like they're smol indie uwu.

On top of this, even when a company is actually independent and doesn't take money from investors, they still get affected by the surrounding capitalist culture and pressures, and so are going to reproduce the same kind of shitty behaviors, at least some of the time. Sometimes even worse due to the pressures to work extra hard to compete with the larger companies.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

often those "mom and pops" companies can be worse than big companies. not paying you on time, getting you to do unpaid overtime, stuff can go slow and they get away with it by making you feel bad for raising objections because they're a "small business".

It's huge in the video game scene where there's always talk of supporting indie devs as if they have some special property that makes their games more ethical, when we see the exact same sorts of abuse that take place at big studios also take place at small studios.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

A few are, like Iskra Books and Monthly Review Press.

[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah. Everyone openly talked about their love of piracy even on big platforms up until recently. The dying off of speak of piracy arose with the rise of AI, because now big corporations are pirating, so piracy has switched to be seen as not something against the man but in favor of it, and the online western left has switched to becoming the world's biggest defenders of intellectual property right law.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

I have to concur. Most people I know completely approve of piracy. Even on r*reddit most people approve of piracy. They people that get all offended by it are either bots or shit libs which are basically just bots anyway.

[–] Rogelio_Marciano@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All those books that don’t get reprints that can still be read

Since a couple years I buy ebooks from leftist publishers to support comrades. But people around me dont want to use ebooks. So recently I wanted to buy books on paper to gift them from normal bookstores (not leftist, but generalist). Well, some titles were out of print and we will never get a copy. Whereas on arr! one finds them under 5 mins on Annas Archive.

So this is true, lots of good books are saved by arr!. If I were an author Id upload them myself as I understand the message is more important than the two coppers I would earn from sales. Disclaimer: I have a job unrelated to writing or the arts.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

Oh actually some authors do upload their books on pirate websites so they will remain accessible, iirc

[–] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

All those IPs that holders just sit on and do nothing with because they might have a profitable idea for it down the line.

Apparently that's not even always the case. When someone buys an IP and uses it as a tax deduction, it's supposed to remain a loss and can't use it without re-doing that year's taxes all over again, which is the sort of thing executive types hate more than burning money.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i don't feel like it has really changed much. I still do it as much as i ever did. For a time I paid for streaming services and whatnot but then the prices kept going up, the quality kept going down, and they started implementing more rules and ads and shit. I stopped paying once the prices went up and it made it not worth it anymore.

[–] Emily@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Same, I got Netflix and Spotify early on, because they were cheap and novel. I now have neither for the same reasons you said. I use Anna's Archive for ebooks and various sources for music (though I will buy music via bandcamp on bandcamp fridays if I really like the artist). It's so much easier now to find things people are willing to share now.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

yep same. For a few years I was actually buying games on Steam because I had a job, could afford it, and was afraid of pirating due to the number of times I'd gotten viruses and shit in the past and had to wipe my machine.

But the amount of absolute trash games that are churned out daily now makes it a losing gamble and I don't want to constantly ask for refunds. So I found a safer way to do it using Sandboxie and just like that I was back to piracy again.

Now I just install windows games on Lutris and I use OpenSnitch to block outbound communication by default so it's an even better solution.

I always used IRC to get books previously, but now it's a million times better with Zlib and Anna's Archive and LibGen.

I have probably bought 2 movies in my life and that was just from some peer pressure 20+ years ago. Movies have never been worth paying for or owning for me. Same for music.

[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

The only reason why it's considered piracy is because of Liberalism.

Contracts are supposed to be respected, you can only appropriate that which is not owned. At the same time anything strictly not prohibited, by law(contracts), is allowed. I don't need to go into who decides ownership of stuff under Liberalism. (The Bourgeoise)

This Post is Original. Do not Steal.

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Welcome back, Edward Thatch.