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I mean the whole school I went through kept nailing in our heads how much a foreign language would benefit you. I guess this went under the noses of whoever like teaching kids to balance a checkbook.

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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 10 points 34 minutes ago

Everyone coming up with conspiratorial reasons why this is not the case but it's much simple than that. It's not feasible and it's expensive and the returns aren't really worth it.

Kids in school have a bunch of other subjects they have to learn besides foreign languages. You can add one or two languages but then at some point you will need to remove other subjects to add more or you need to keep kids in school even more. Both are not really feasible. Then you need to hire teachers for all these new languages which most places won't do.

Another issue is with the way they teach languages in schools. They expect you to pass a test and not actually learn the language so a lot of the languages will not "stick" as the students lack immersion and practice with that language. I can speak for myself, I have learned two languages besides my native language in school: French and English. I had French since 2nd grade, which is 10 years of French classes and English since 5th grade which is 7 years of English classes. Today I can speak English fluently and like 3 words of French. The difference was that I was always immersed in English, though video games, movies, songs and so on. Not so much with French. I have noticed the same pattern with most of my friends and family members.

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 22 points 1 hour ago

In my own experience, if you pick up another language but don't use it on an at least a semi-regular basis, your skills in it get real rusty real fast.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

The problem in the US is that besides English, you might be exposed to some Spanish. And not much else unless you seek it out. Or have immigrant friends. Without consistent practice, and some more native speakers, any learned language just rots away.

I learned German for several years in college. It was fun. Went to a local brewhouse with my classmates and talked in simple german while we had dinner, it was a good time. Now, other than my own attempts at saving my whithered skill, and a couple bedtime songs for my kids, I don't use it.

And even when I was better at it, using it as a tourist in germany was moderately helpful, but it wouldn't have been nearly enough skill to pass any kind of immigration language proficiency exams.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 18 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Because the system is designed to make it so you never leave and you never have the upper hand.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

English has 1.5B fluent speakers spread across the entire globe. Hardly an insular language.

This is far more about discrimination - freezing migrant families out of public sector jobs and services, segregating English speakers from minority speakers, abolishing First Nations language and culture.

Also very important to keep Americans from reading foreign language press.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

Sorry, but I really am failing to make the connection between how learning a second language as an optional class leads to "freezing migrant families out of public sector jobs and services". You don't even need to speak English to access those most of the time. In my city, nearly all public services are available in English and Spanish at the minimum, and frequently Chinese, Vietnamese, and Russian as well.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

I really am failing to make the connection between how learning a second language as an optional class leads to “freezing migrant families out of public sector jobs and services”.

American public school kids don't normally get access to electives until at 6th grade (sometimes not until 8th or 9th grade depending on the state and district). So "optional" in theory is a deliberate effort to delay bilingual learning in practice.

Mono-lingual populations are more easily primed towards hostility against minority speakers. So your senior staff is biased towards English as a primary language when hiring the next generation of public workers. And these workers are increasingly both unable and unwilling to provide services in secondary languages. This creates a natural barrier for any minority speaker from even interacting with public bureaucracies.

In my city, nearly all public services are available in English and Spanish at the minimum, and frequently Chinese, Vietnamese, and Russian as well.

Bigger and more egalitarian cities, with large minority-language populations can staff their departments with fluent minority-language speakers. And under more liberal and egalitarian governments, they do. But as the population grows more reactionary, these kinds of skills get drummed out of the bureaucracy.

This isn't even a new problem in government.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told 2,500 troops Tuesday about the foreign-language skills he championed as a congressman, an active-duty Army officer was complaining about the paucity of military personnel who can speak anything other than English.

But it has become an increasingly domestic issue, as fascists take command of the bureaucratic core.

On March 1, 2025, President Trump issued Executive Order 13166, which designated English as the United States’ official language. This Executive Order is no longer theoretically in effect, and existing federal civil rights laws and regulations require language access for individuals with limited English proficiency in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance.

Nonetheless, numerous federal entities are pursuing policies prioritizing English as the only language, effectively reducing or eliminating Spanish.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 5 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

I know it varies from state to state, but where I’ve lived it’s an “elective” in that you got to pick which language to take of the available options (some schools might only have two choices, others four or even five), but taking a certain number of foreign language credits was required for graduation. If you wanted to go beyond the minimum and had room in your schedule you could.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 points 50 minutes ago

Same way where I grew up in South Dakota, except each school only taught one language.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

It hasn't really been an economic necessity or cultural priority like other countries.

Most countries who have a population who speak more than one language usually either have a variety of languages spoken within/near the country or rely on ESL speakers to participate in the international workforce.

With English being the current lingua franca, Americans already know the current dominant language. There is really only one major language which is relevant to neighbors, but Americans are usually in the more dominant economic position and there is a cultural aversion to adopting Spanish more.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 5 points 57 minutes ago

This is the correct answer.

If you live in SE Asia for example you speak your local language at home but you need to learn English for work.

If you already speak English at home then you already know how to speak English at work.

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

There is really only one major language which is relevant to neighbors

Spanish

French Canadians would like to have a word with you

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago

Because it would upset the racists (republicans)

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 16 minutes ago

Because school in the US isn't about creating a well educated population.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I'd say because half of america's goals involve not understanding other cultures and believing whatever nonsense the corporate overlords want to say about them.

I still have to laugh at when american's went on chinese tiktok to work around the possible bans, and the chinese were all like "wait, you really do have to pay out the nose for an ambulance ride, I thought that was propoganda by our government" meanwhile a lot of american's were learning half of the horrors of china were extremely overstated or manipulated.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Rednote's been a fascinating natural experiment in cross cultural communication that we need to repeat at scale

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

meanwhile a lot of american’s were learning half of the horrors of china were extremely overstated or manipulated.

Crazy how quickly the Chinese travel vlogs get demonetized on YouTube. Google execs really do not want you knowing how nice East Asian cities are.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

As someone who is Chinese and living in the US, Americans who have not been to China overestimate its shittiness and people who have been to China once or twice overestimate its glamour. Outside the cities, the rural areas can be real shit-holes. I've been to a tea plantation where there were a total of six electric plugs in the entire village and the toilets flushed with a bucket which had to be filled from a pump outside. It's not the level of rank poverty you see in many developing countries, far from it, but it's a lot worse than even the poorest parts of Appalachia in the US, where at least people usually have electricity and running water.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 hour ago

We needed ~"3" levels of language classes to graduate in my school (7th and 8th grade effectively counted as 1 level, so it was really 4 years). You could elect to take extra if you wanted.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 32 minutes ago
[–] veggay@kbin.earth 2 points 1 hour ago

Because the US educational system is not made to give students the upper hand anymore, it's meant to make yall obedient and dumb enough so that what's going on politically could happen. An educated public would've never voted for Trump.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Go on radio.garden and try to find non-english music. My point is it's wild how much English has become a common language worldwide, even if it's not the first language

If every state had a different language they'd be more like europeans that have second and third languages as a normal thing. But it's almost all English, everywhere all the time unless you are near Mexico.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Americans always have the upper hand in other countries by simply speaking English louder and slower until our needs are met.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Back in the renaissance ancient Greek and Latin were needed to study ancient texts, so knowing them was needed for university. These requirements lasted into the 20th century so high schools taught it for college track students. These days they'll take any language. The methods of teaching and the structural contours of this shape how language learning is thought of to this day

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Ok so well then all the work is on OUR kids then and not the rest of the worlds kids to learn American? Why is the world so unfair to USA? We are too big of a country, it is unrealistic to learn languages, even one is hard given how rural and unique the American countryside is. The only hope we have is if pickup trucks evolve to be able to speak for us and keep us connected when we finally become unable to learn even a single language.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 hour ago

Learning a second language takes a lot of time and effort, and I don’t think the US likes either of those things, not the funding required for them.