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Kegsbreath feeling so smug killing more unarmed and defenseless people in boats.
Wow that's fucked up on multiple levels.
to attack a literally defenseless warship ... Could you not have, you know, boarded it instead? Forced it to surrender? Feels like at that point you can just threaten to do what you did and they would have to comply.
if you've seen the released periscope footage of the attack, and realize that that explosion was fully from the torpedo and not from an ammo store blowing, it makes it look that much more like an intentional massacre. Is there really no smaller munition on board that sub that can be used to disable a defenseless target?
If they had no intelligence of the ammunition situation (doubt) it could be risky to try to board a warship. Not that it justifies anything, just aside from piracy boarding enemy warships isn't really a thing anymore as far as I'm aware.
If they had no intelligence of the ammunition situation (doubt) it could be risky to try to board a warship.
I mean, there's literally no way the US didn't know it was on the way back from an ammo-less exercise. The Indian naval exercises were very public, with 74 countries participating.
Profound incompetence seems like a possibility tbh. They absolutely should have known about it but it sure seems like they're basically just fucking around, not taking things seriously. So I'd definitely believe that they saw an Iranian warship pull up and were like "WTF is that doing there? Kill it!".
I don't think that should excuse their actions, but it does seem like a believable chain of events.
Like a bunch of drunk rednecks driving around in their truck shooting at road signs.
The US frequently attends these exercises, and finished with this one around Feb 25, 2026.
Whos to say they didn't pack some munitions with them anyway? Without another nation checking the ship you just have to take their word for it.
I mean fair point, I can't find any info on whether or not anyone verifies that the ships are unloaded or if it's self reported. And it does seem unlikely that a nation would let another country inspect it's warship.
More unlikey than letting dozens of armed warships into your seas, without any controls?
Also a fair point
Please note: in no way am I attempting to be an apologist here. I’m just trying to point out that some parts of this story are not terribly believable, and that attack subs have very particular capabilities and constraints that they operate with. The order was shitty. But at the end of the day, it was an enemy vessel, and the sub’s CO got an order to sink it.
Why the hell would you sail a warship around without any munitions…?
Because they were invited to an international naval exercise that required them to be unarmed...
Yeah, no one's arguing that whoever was ordered to push the button was ordered to push the button, the point is that it was a shitty order to give.
It's also rich to be like "we had to attack them, we're at war", when you illegally and unilaterally started the war several days earlier.
It would said without munitions because that's what it was asked to do as a GUEST in a third-party country.
Just because Americans act like children, doesn't mean adults don't exists.
This is all so stupid
Disarmed doesn't mean 'it has no weapons' it means weapons were unloaded or otherwise 'disarmed'.
Wtf are you even saying?
Point three is just you freestyling thoughts now. I just read of the Laconia Incendent and besides how fucking grim all of this is, ya, there actually are more honorable procedures and lengths to go through, other than straight up and purposely killing everyone. But that‘s just not how the US rolls.
I might be missing something big, but this doesn't seem like a degenerate course of action. I think this mainly because
Overall, I could understand the condemnation for the attacks from the perspective that the US shouldn't be fighting an illegal war, but if you concede that point, the attack of an enemy military vessel irregardless of its current capabilities is a fully ok course of action.