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If 8.1 billion people marched on a government, even with a full array of advanced and nuclear weapons in their arsenal, would they still definitely lose? What about one billion? A hundred million? Ten million? Where do you think the line is?

Caveat: The government does want to be able to live on earth again within their lifetimes, but can spend up to a year in bunkers, and the military doesn’t revolt- given that nuclear weapons can be deployed by one person, the worst option doesn’t even really require the military’s cooperation.

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[–] kubok@fedia.io 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Armchair general here who is bad at strategy games. Please take with a grain of salt.

The US sent advanced armies at several agricultural societies and still got their asses handed to them. I can imagine that in a domestic setting, the death toll will be high, but that the civilians eventually win. Also, I wonder whether the military would want to fight their own people. Then again, ICE is a thing as well.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

ICE is a thing because bullies love when people don't fight back. The moment their lives are on the lines they reveal themselves as the cowards they have always been.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

The populace will eventually win a war of attrition if we stipulate that the world has to be livable afterwards, so you can’t just agent orange the globe.

I’m just wondering if there is a critical mass for a mob, basically, at which point it overpowers even the US military. I think it’s somewhere in the millions or tens of millions, but I have no idea how to narrow it down more.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago

1 man.

With a particular set of skills…

[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 hours ago

I dunno man, maybe marching at the military isn't the way to go, you'd get a lot more bang for your buck dealing with the sources of the problem directly

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It depends.

Are the people actually part of a well-regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free state? Or had the government spent the last century reframing that right as "any idiot can own a lethal weapon without training", and as a result the people are a disorganised and easily-suppressible rabble?

[–] endless_nameless@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's worth noting that at the time of writing, the words "well-regulated militia" referred to all fighting age men of sound mind. It wasn't a thing to join or train for.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

That's half right...

Militias were always things that you joined and they had a chain of command. Just because they were volunteer forces, it doesn't mean that they weren't an organisation. The Peterloo Massacre (1819) was conducted by the local militia. They were all volunteers, but they operated as a paramilitary group.

"Well-regulated militia" literally meant what it sounds like today - a well-regulated volunteer armed force.

The amendment is saying that the government shall not prevent people from joining well-regulated armed militias. Which admittedly sounds terrifying to modern ears but, historically, armed militias helped keep the peace in the days before police forces.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Certainly as you approach 8 billion, they’re more disorganized, but they’re not ever an actual militia, more just a horde of people all trying to help each other dismantle any relevant infrastructure and kill/disable any soldiers sent to suppress them. No training, but absolute solidarity.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They were poking fun at the 2nd amendment of the US constitution.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

I know, but it’s still a legitimate question, so I answered it.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 25 minutes ago

Fair enough. I just know not every English speaker is from the US and might not be familiar with the US constitution.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago

Just start with all of them. Restrictions will follow naturally along the way.