I did 20 years ago and I would do again. Can't enjoy living here and when something comes and threatens that put my hands up and let somebody else do the work.
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Swede here, we had conscription when I came of age, so I was called to muster.
I went, and promptly failed the first test, the hearing test, I got a pass and didn't have to do it.
At the time I was glad, I was scared, I didn't want to do it, these days I think it would have been a valuable experience.
Anyway, I believe Sweden is worth fighting for, should we come under attack, I would get in touch with the civil defense and do my part.
As a Finn, it's good to hear that you've got our back.
It was a sad day for us when Sweden switched from a conscription army to the much smaller version it is today.
Interesting tidbit, it was explained to us in the military as a move made because you felt safe with us as the defending wall between you and the eastern aggressor.
Now as part of NATO, I hope you'll come to our aid none the less.
Oh, it was an absolute shit decision to get rid of conscription here.
We don't have the resources to provide enough benefits to attract enough people to join the military on their own, so conscription is the only realistic way forward.
I am a strong believer helping our neighbors if they come under attack, even if the government won't, and I know I am not alone with that viewpoint.
Interesting tidbit, it was explained to us in the military as a move made because you felt safe with us as the defending wall between you and the eastern aggressor.
Well.. Sweden is Swedish until the last Finn falls as the saying goes.
Sure. I'm fit, I'm outdoorsy so I'm used to sleeping in a forest and such, I know how to handle a gun, did some very basic military training years ago, I'm not squeamish or anything. I think I would handle it quite well. I also think my country is worth defending, I wouldn't simply let it fall under the rule of some invaders.
I wouldnβt simply let it fall under the rule of some invaders.
Nah... this is about cheap oil and keeping pedophiles out of prison.
Millions of young men have died on bullshit ideology in wars.
I'm talking about draft in my country, not in your country.
OP is Canadian, even. Since WWII we've only really fought in the NATO-mandatory wars. Before that whatever Britain was fighting.
You're in c/Europe
We already have military conscription here in lithuania, along with the voluntary service
I did get conscripted to it (and didn't have to do it, on account of failing my medical exams), but prior to that, my opinion on military service was more or less that I wouldn't join the military if the call was for some war in the middle east, but if russia ever started throwing more than illegal planes and spy drones over the border and something had to be done about it, then I would've been more likely to, I suppose Β―β \β _β (β γβ )β _β /β Β―
The war around hormuz was started illegally. Not my type.
Under no circumstance am I going to war. If they draft me I will appear there stoned as hell. My drug Test shall glow in the dark.
I also have some medical conditions, mist of which have not really been diagnosed, so I highly doubt that they would recruit a seemingly drug addict with various medical conditions for which they might have to pay.
Accept. Any war Canada fights before I'm too old is going to be for a very good reason. (Not technically Europe, but we're trying)
Switzerland: my dad had to go to prison for a limited time for refusing military service and had to do an alternative service as well.
I was able to opt-out military in a normal way (just filling a form) and do the alternative service without going to jail, as this was changed in the time between
But the alternative service are 1.5x times the days you have to serve
In short: I'd refuse, oppose it and campaign against it.
I owe politians nothing. The rethoric about patriotism, duty and all the other arguments commonly used to carry forward pro-draft, pro-defense, pro-rearmament, etc, are hollow.
There are bad actors in this world but politians still confuse public office with unbridled authority and people allow for it like sheep.
Draft as been talked about in my country (Portugal) a few years back, by people that never served as military, from a "conservative" sector of society, using arguments gravitating about ingraining "values" about patriotism, discipline and sacrifice to the younger generations.
Translation: you are to be braiwashed, forced to obey, never question and die where and when ordered.
I risk most will defend their home and family at the risk of cost of their health and life if a bad actor arises. But that in no way leads to the logic for need of a standing army.
Peace is peace. Armed peace is a veiled threat.
I think it really depends on the foreign policy of the country you live in. I would argue most European countries are unlikely to start offensive wars but would rather be defending against Russia for example. European countries are especially weary of offensive wars after what the US and UK pulled in order to make them join the Iraq War.
In this light, yes, I do believe it is the right choice to bolster our armies in Europe. I wanted to join myself but it seems my shoulder is too fucked for that.
But it is also a risk, since it could always happen that right wing extremists, like the afd in Germany, could come into power and then you're stuck working for a military at the behest of fascists.
I believe we have to take that risk in order to protect European democracy. We just need to also do everything in our power to not let the fascists win elections in Europe.
I mean military service is limited time. And in germany you can always refuse to do military service so if the AfD came to power you could just refuse.
Yes, true enough. I suppose any penalties would be well worth it in order not to be serving the likes of afd.
Not for this shit hole of a country government that has been the USA for a long ass time. I won't go to jail either for evading it.
I live in Japan and can't be drafted as a non-citizen. Living here, I'm not sure what either of my citizenship countries could do to actually draft me. Also in my mid-40s, colorblind, and with several parts of me held together by screws and plates, so I'm not exactly at the top of any list.
I'm saying this as the perspective of a Swede that trusts his government.
Yes. I think military basic training is a good thing. My generation was not drafted/conscripted due to incredibly low budget. But it has since then increased.
You're first sent to "mΓΆnstring" where your physical abilities are tested. And from there, you may or may not be selected.
Failing to enlist after being drafted or conscripted is a criminal offense. Straight to jail.
We also have something called "total defense" where if we are attacked. Everyone between the age of 16 to 70 must enlist to serve their country. The manner of which you do will vary, it can be civil duty, it can be military duty, it can be that you continue with your life as is, or that you are now driving transport trucks for the military, maybe you now work in an ammunition factory, maybe you do quality control of rifles, maybe you are now a nurse, doctors assistent. Or maybe you are deployed.
All and any information that resistance shall stop is false.
I think I would, unfortunately. There's no choice. I'm Romanian and I know plenty of history to know what happened to our military in the last two WWs, but if there's a demand, then I would go for it.
Peoplle in my country all say that "oh, I wouldn't join, which corrupt politician do you see me to defend? I'd rather move out of my country" etc. (You usually hear this from the most right wing people out there).
The reality is that you're not fighting for the asses of the corrupts only. You're also fighting for the relative freedom that you have, the safety of your land, so that your dear ones don't have to be forced to learn another language or subject to a culture they don't want etc.
And no, if there will be any mission involving America, I don't think there will be a draft. They're usually just sending a bunch of people in the conflict, mostly sitting on the side and that's it. It's mostly Russia that I'm afraid of.
I'm pacifist and anti militaristic so no. But I would join the civil defence if we came under attack.
The problem is when you come under attack the training takes too long to be fully effective.
I'm a fan of the Swiss model personally. Rig all your bridges with explosives and live in the most mountainous land possible.
I'm French, and I'm also a trans woman. I have a feeling that if a draft was to come into effect, my legal status as a woman would be bizarrely revoked in a heartbeat, for some reason. However, this country can get fucked, and I would rather die on my own terms than die for it. it. As for your question of imprisonment, as I said, I'm a trans girl and I know what will happen to me in a men's prison, so, as I said, die on my own terms.
I'm not being sent to the slaughterhouse just because one dude's ego was so massive that he decided that he wanted to be remembered in history and therefore thought that starting a war would be the best way to do so or to further the interests of a bunch of dickheads protecting a system that should have died decades ago and of some corporation benefiting from it.
Senior year I told a recruiter my medical history and they never called again. I still have that medical history and I'm not 18 anymore. If they raise the age of the draft I'll drag out that old chestnut. If things get so bad they still want me to serve I'd probably stop taking the medicine I have to take as a result of my past and let them deal with the mess. I won't be my problem I'll be their problem.
I did participate in my mandatory military conscription. Was excited for it. Learned some habits that I'm sure have helped me since. Alternative would've been jail, which sounded like an overall bad idea.
There are pacifist roles (medics, firefighters, ...) for those that don't want to handle a gun.
I will fight to defend our rights to express ourselves, love who we want, be who we want.
The biggest and most immediate threat to these values are our governments. Implementing surveillance policies under the disguise of protecting children, while failing to bring those to justice that are actually harming them. (Epstein is the current example, the abuse in the church has been known for decades more)
Corrupt politicians are representing the ultra rich and multinationals instead of the people, funneling our tax money into their own pockets and blaming immigrants and asylum seekers when underfunded infrastructure fails. Fueling the fire that enables the political shift to the right without any regard for the consequences.
In short... the answer is NO, there is no government worth fighting for. There is no government that represents me.
People can refuse and do civil service here in germany. If I was drafted I would do my service because I believe my country and Europe in general is worth defending and there is a lot to be learned even if I don't wish to die. There are also a lot more things to be learned on a personal level even if it hopefully never comes to a direct military confrontation. I would most certainly want the service to not only include men this time as I would find this to lowkey be against gender-equality, as I believe it has to be equal in both directions.
I don't believe I would willingly die for any abstract country or concept, but I would certainly risk my life to defend it. I would much rather risk my life to protect the people I love and the European Union with all it stands for than just let Russia take over and destroy our collective future.
I honestly think if it came to a hard confrontation war would be pretty costly for both sides but there is no way Russia would get the better of us if we sticked together.
But I guess this doesn't mean much because I actually thought about serving a year voluntarily (although the timing didn't line up and I would have had to take 2 years break since they need 3/4 months to find a spot for me to serve)
Depends on the reason. If it is to protect my loved ones and fellow citizens from losing their freedom from a violent conquering foreign power then most likely I would show up for the draft, still scared shitless though. If it was for a deranged, debauched, degenerate leader who wanted to cover up some of his crimes then no, I'd be on my way to Montreal.
Oh one more thing about Sweden.
We have a concept called TotalfΓΆrsvar, Absolute Defense, which means that everyone living in Sweden between the ages of 16 and 70 may be required to serve regardless of gender.
Foreign citizen may even be included depending on the situation.
This also include service after say, a nuclear accident, you may required to help with the cleanup, refusal can be punished with up to four years of prison time.
Gladly too old for it.
If I were young now, I would try very hard to avoid it.