well well here we go again old friend:
sudo pacman -Syu
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bro... wtf should i use now??
Back to Arch??
Back to Debian??
or fuck it go TempleOS.....
Does Fedora has a Code of Conduct? Time to update it to either be
- the meaningless "Be excellent to each other!" (as seen in any open source Elon Musk project),
- or to include "protecting diverse opinions" (which is always a code word for "protecting bigotry") instead of throwing out bigots who often don't even meaningfully contribute to the project,
- or to the Ten Commandments,
if they really like the taste of the boot. Maybe they could remove "woke" elements altogether for that sweet fascist-controlled US money.
Please don't mix Bill&Ted with that asshole
Elon was who mixed Bill&Ted into his garbage products.
However.. ive read the associated analysis of the California bill that reads directly on legislative intent:
quoting he Cali Senate Judiciary Committee analysis : file:///home/jspaleta/Downloads/202520260AB1043_Senate%20Judiciary.pdf
Why are we listening to a person who tried to link a file directly from their downloads folder?
Also the original post that the article is referencing on the fedora forums is suggesting that we remove all networking support from baseline linux as some way to comply/circumvent the law.
I'm sorry, but I just can't take anything said in that forum post seriously.
Youtube requires age verification for some content since many years.
Out of curiosity, who here is still browsing YT without verified age?
Who browses YT logged in with their google account and verified age?
Too bad we don't have pool here. I would really like to see what % of people complaining about age verification here verified their age in their google account.
I've never verified my age for any operating system or website. I use YouTube logged out with an ad blocker
... sssssssiiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhhh
I went with a Fedora distro because the Intel GPU drivers were less of a headache. Guess I must now find another distro...
At least with my Core i7-4702MQ, it worked without much of a hassle on Manjaro.
I would wait and be very vocal about not wanting it in the forums and stuff first.
This isn't decided and nothing has been added yet at the time of me writing this.
It deserves to be ridiculed and shot down through so that it never makes it through but the problem is Red Hat is an American company.
So I always knew this was going to happen to fedora. Still though, let's see what happens.
it's cute how you think IBM won't comply with their biggest contract holder.
I think they will, but I will wait and see confirmation before I go scorched earth and re install another version of Linux.
I know ultimately that you are right though, but I stills expect pushback and I'm hoping all this shit just gets overturned or an exclusion made for FOSS at the very least.
Dang, am I about to become an Arch user?
If youre not picky and want to use the default setups, arch install is so easy now. The script is very easy to follow and takes like 10 mins to install depending on your network speed. The only "hard" part during the install is connect to the internet. But iwctl takes care of that
It's a lot easier to use than one would guessed it at first. Much easier, than wrestling with getting the right cmake/gcc versions every time on Debian the moment you don't want to use not a 2+ years old version of something.
I already got BSD on a spare laptop. Granted it was freeBSD and I think I might switch to OpenBSD since the latter's foundation is Canadian and not US based.
But yeah if they go through with this I will be uninstalling it off my gaming machine and switching to Arch 100%. I really appreciated that line about it "not being April fools" when it was introduced in their github thread.
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How bout 
inb4
sudo usermod —birthday “1970-01-01”
Ah yes, the beginning of history.
In the beginning, ~~God~~ K&R created the ~~dinosaurs~~ time_t.
We’re not legally required to have age verification here so if they try that shit here we’re just Gina nice to Arch/arch like :/
Yeahhhh
We use Debian and ripped out systemd (replaced it with openrc) a bit before all this happened. Feeling really good about that choice now.
(unrelated: plural gang! :3)
-- Frost
We’re still relatively new to Linux even after a year of switching. Started learning more about the terminal just to get comfortable with it and it’s not hard at all, just got to remember ask the commands haha (did make a cheat sheet lol)
(Unrelated: Yoooo plural gang!!!! :D) -PJ & Sam
(*wags tail at both PJ and Sam!!* =^.^=)
yeah! Terminal's super useful but also kind of daunting.
If y'all haven't seen the man pages, they make an excellent reference. Honestly, they're basically written more as reference than as tutorial type stuff most of the time. So that's there whenever your cheatsheet doesn't cover something.
Also we use zsh (without plugins, you don't need plugins) and it's got really fancy autocomplete. We can just type - and hit tab and get a list of all the options for that command (that zsh knows about; I don't think it goes and reads man pages for you or anything like that). I can't remember how you turn that on but I think it's something you can do from zsh's initial setup wizard. I don't know if bash can do the same thing or not, I think probably not (but we're not super up to date on bash).
(I'd avoid fish, which you might also run into if you go looking for fancy features. It's known for really fancy features but it's also not compatible with normal shell scripts, which'll screw you up if you ever want to get into scripting. zsh does normal shell script syntax (with the exception of protecting you if you forget to quote your variables) and also has really nice fancy features like the autocomplete.)
-- Frost
Got ya, will look into the zhs!! Sounds super useful. And yush found out about the man from a tutorial for useful commands in terminal. 90% of the time we’re converting files with ffmpeg and running yt-dlp lol -PJ
Why do some people just have the worst fucking ideas...and why is "some" starting to feel like "most"
Because media propaganda makes it seem as if the majority have certain views. People don't like to be on the outside so if the media can trick people into conforming then they will try that.
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Oh wait, there aren't people chiming in to call me and others a fucking idiot and a stupid man child and all the other talking points for suggesting that the systemd merge was going to escalate?
Fascinating. I wonder where they all went. Maybe they're on the BSD forums now, but somehow I doubt it.
Sure I can chime in here.
You did actually read the post correct? Not just the title? The original poster, Jef, is talking about implementing a Unix socket or a dbus protocol similar to what apple already has. They are literally just referencing their definition for a struct.
So no this will not be ID verification, it won't ask for face scans, and it won't necessarily send the data anywhere.
The article is just using the big A word as some boogeyman to generate clicks and further rile up the community.
The systemd change is benign and this is not proof of your slippery slope theory.
Edit: I swear literacy rates in the linux community must be dropping.
I read it and just like the systemd merge, this isn't the end for this.
We can circle back when it turns into full blown identification standards though if its more comfortable for you to come to terms with the reality then.
Also, "won't necessarily send the data anywhere" isn't exactly comforting.
I just want to make sure that we do agree on a few things.
- Requiring actual ID verification and/or face scans is bad and cannot be effectively anonymized.
- That many of the current bills do not require ID verification or face scans. This includes the California one that the systemd merge request cites as well as the Colorado one that it mostly identical.
- The laws in their current form are poorly written and clearly misunderstand how modern general purpose computers work and are referred to.
Given that, I think we can ultimately agree that the NY, UK, Germany, and I think also the Brazil laws are bad and cannot be fixed with simple updates to language.
So let's focus on the law's that do not require actual verification since that is what the systemd change cites.
What issues do you have outside of that they are poorly written and ineffective or that they are a slippery slope/frog in a pot/tip of the spear?
This is not about my comfort this is about what these laws actually require rather than some imaginary law that has not even been written yet.
I figured that someone might latch onto that "necessarily" and that's the great thing about open-source. If that distro/application/os does misuse your data then don't use it or fork it.
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Welp... There goes Fedora!...
As long as I have root, I’m as old as I wanna be.
Not if age verification is done by a digital signature from the smart card in your government issued ID.
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I have a feeling that a lot of those who replied have not really read the article, that contains some nuances. I do not like the idea of age verification, but the project leader's proposal is apparently not even official (and more like a hypothetical in a discussion thread on their forums.
Please read more than headlines, lol.
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Ok well I suggest Fedora Project leader get fucked. Plenty of other good distros bub.
Nothing is sacred to these fucks
For solutions that back on actually "verifying" the age by requiring credit card or government ID, those suck.
As described, this is an administrator self describing the age, which doesn't mean much to anyone except kids of people who apply parental controls to systems their kids have access to.
Accounts already require your "full name" but we don't consider that "full name verification".
This proposal seems to be in the spirit of least intrusive means to let parents opt into this stuff if they want, with no ties to identity compromising third party/state "verification".
Question is whether this sort of solution that at least gives parents some chance will satisfy the lawmakers long term. For the wave of laws now, it seems to suffice to self attest age.
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