This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
Relevant comms
Should be pretty easy to figure out the mod responsible, especially since it's across multiple instances.
Either way, I'm really not a fan of mods just banning someone from every single comm they mod. If you want to be an admin, make your own instance please.
It's very "reddit like" abuse of power behavior.
And is honestly something instance admins should be able to crack down on.
It's easy enough to defederate from instances that are toxic, but it's not so easy to do the same for individual communities that are mass owned by one or two people who abuse their power.
Someone else already figured it out.
It's kinda a convoluted way to troll people I guess... Meta trolling? Preemptive trolling?
Trying to develop software for crowds of people is hard (I'm working on a decentralized, zero mod, anonymous app right now... In theory but I have problems).
There's always someone finding a loophole to abuse people with. My first instinct was: don't let mods ban people from comms they've never interacted with before, but then there are real trolls just trying to harass people on as many places as possible... So it makes sense to get ahead of them.
I guess it's up to the admins to remove the account? But they can just create a new account, another 20 comms, and then spam people's mod logs.
I suppose it's growing pains of lemmy; gotta make it easy in order to grow, but then it's too easy.
My solution is: make it harder to create a community for new users.
Or maybe, if a user has never interacted with w community, don't put it in their mod log when they've been banned?
Or at least make them justify the ban so there's some record of exactly how they're making stuff up.
My only guess is that about a month before I got banned for saying, (and I am sorry and I really am not trying to hurt anyone and I'm not invalidating anyone's existence)
Is that "nonbinary" is not the most accurate term for people because it, seems to me, to imply that gender is binary. The offensive part is because I think it's popular because the concept of "binary" is popular... (I'm a programmer, I love binary).
It's not like, a big deal to me or anything, I just think there's a better term out there or waiting to be made. non-gendered or something makes more sense but doesn't sound as cool...
I stated my opinion indelicatly and I get why my post was removed... But not being called transphobic or banned from that com for life because I questioned the temporary ban, and then a month later 20 more comms like I'm a Nazi just trying to harass people or something.
I have room for improvement and can be nicer (less "toxic") but just silencing people forever is pretty common with, let's say politicized topics, and counterproductive.
[...] Is that “nonbinary” is not the most accurate term for people because it, seems to me, to imply that gender is binary.
It does not imply that. If it did, it would defeat itself, because there is no place for nonbinary in binary. It implies that a slice of gender can be seen as binary (Men and Women), but there is more to it.
"Hi, I'm not a lobster. Nice to meet you."
Their point is valid: the term only makes sense when the negated trait is the norm.
My only guess is that about a month before I got banned for saying, (and I am sorry and I really am not trying to hurt anyone and I'm not invalidating anyone's existence)
Is that "nonbinary" is not the most accurate term for people because it, seems to me, to imply that gender is binary. The offensive part is because I think it's popular because the concept of "binary" is popular... (I'm a programmer, I love binary).
It's not like, a big deal to me or anything, I just think there's a better term out there or waiting to be made. non-gendered or something makes more sense but doesn't sound as cool...
I stated my opinion indelicatly and I get why my post was removed... But not being called transphobic or banned from that com for life because I questioned the temporary ban, and then a month later 20 more comms like I'm a Nazi just trying to harass people or something.
I read your removed comment on your modlog and it seems the community did not want you to start a debate and flame war about gender identities. I can understand since nonbinary is not a "futuristic" sounding name that they chose to sound "cool", they are people who are not men or women, but very much do have genders. The nonbinary umbrella is quite large and full of genders. Your comment seemed like you only see man and women as valid genders while nonbinary are seen as nongendered to you, do you see how that comes across? Nonbinary people do have genders, that is why nongendered does not fit at all. They should be the ones to choose their name. From what you said about questioning the ban, it may have been beneficial to listen to them. No matter how close you are to the trans community, you can still make mistakes and say transphobic things. Even women themselves can be misogynistic. But hopefully you can learn from this and improve, we can all improve. I only brought this up as it seems to be relevant to the ban from this post.
Edit: forgot to mention agender matches the term you want to use, nongendered. Nonbinary is not necessarily agender.
Here's the mod who did all this btw:
They've been on a tear lately it seems.
Yeah that checks out.
infamous
Thank you, fellow enthusiast
I tried joining Piefed instead of Lemmy... Before even making a single comment I was banned from 3 communities for "Lemmy account with same username has been seen to start arguments on the Lemmy equivalent to this community"
Fucking thoughtcriming me
Late here but I just checked your piefed account. This particular ban you're referring to was on lemmy.world based communities, so it had nothing whatsoever to do with Piefed as software, or any Piefed instance admin.
No, the exact wording said "Lemmy account with this username"
It was Piefed
https://lemmy.world/modlog?userId=18683587
If this is your piefed account, and I assume it is, I am literally looking at the communities you were banned from. They are all Lemmy.world based communities. Why would a Piefed instance ban you from Lemmy.world communities? How is it you imagine this even works?
Alt of https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/gwl Pattern of rude and hostile behavior toward other users.
Yes, the community mod clearly recognised you and banned you. I know who it is.
Are you claiming piefed.blahaj banned you exclusively from 5 lemmy.world based communities?
No, just that the community did before I said a word
And I've never interacted with those communities in my life on here or on Piefed, fucking creepy as hell to preban someone
This person has repeatedly defended all the dumb things PieFed does, to the point people have wondered if they're an alt of the dev. You can ignore them.
I am not an alt of the dev. I'm just piefed.social staff.
And again, this has nothing to do with Piefed. That's all I'm saying. The user got banned from some communities by a lemmy.world mod. The lemmy.world mod banned both their lemmy and piefed accounts. They are just wrong when they are blaming some systems in Piefed. Why would Piefed randomly ban a piefed account from 5 lemmy.world based communities? How could it even do that?
Yes, you don't have to interact in a community to be banned from it. Unfortunately, and I am not judging here because I don't know you - but the moderator of those communities pre-emptively banned you. It had nothing to do with Piefed. They also banned your Lemmy account.
Piefed communities are creepy. It's a platform based on the concept of those dead duplicate communities trying to boycott the Lemmy devs.
The piefed communities that come across my feed are so curated and empty it's always just a mod fighting with every other comment.
The bans the user above is referring to took place on lemmy communities. Piefed as software had nothing to do with it.
What the fuck is even going on in this thread.
one or more bigots keep making lots of harassment accounts to attack draconic neo. they spam posts like this and the trans communities too with their shit
Some mods have victim complex think if they shut down any dissenting voice they have achieved
Lemmy has a real problem with alts and sock puppeting
Doesn't help that admins have at times decided to encourage alt'ing to bypass bans "because if they are good faith participants, they won't get banned again". The problem is the whole federated system means accommodating different standards.
As a proponent of any decent implementation of the idea, I'd just like to point out that if we could select our own moderators for communities, a lot of these alts and sock puppets would probably have been handled by the people I would have aggregated to the list instead of just waiting for the time zone or availability to roll over to the official ones. A lot of these are blatantly obvious.
I don't think any amount of democratic community moderation voting (this case here is more to do with an absent instance owner) would prevent the phenomenon of idle, disinterested or otherwise too-busy moderators letting their communities be overrun.
Admin of what instance said that? I've only ever seen the opposite opinion.
It's like a dozen people that seem to fuel the dramatic arcs of the fediverse.
For the record, I'm not transphobic, I'm not cisgender for sure... My kids is trans...
"Gee I wonder why Lemmy isn't more popular!"
Also, I have never interacted with most of those communities
This was a problem with Reddit that Lemmy never attempted to solve: you piss one person off (maybe not even through any fault of your own) and rather than just block you, they ban you from every community they moderate.
However, Reddit didn't really have a solution to that. Lemmy kind of does: you can make any community you want, and communities that pull crap like this might be avoided by users who don't tolerate that kind of thing. Or they might not, but the users have more power here.
One thing Reddit was good for was, one mod would make communities like, say, "iPhone 16," "iPhone 17," "iPhone 18," and so on up to like 50, and then lock them until that phone was announced. Same with game series, movie franchises etc. Then when people opened rival communities, they would brigade them, harass them, post things there with dummy accounts that would violate Reddit rules and get the community banned, stuff like that.
Lemmy isn't going to fix all of Reddit's problems because Lemmy is trying to be an alternative to Reddit, which means the more people Reddit pisses off, the more of them are going to end up here and most of them are going to do the same shit here that they did there. And until people show them that that behaviour will not be tolerated... they're just gonna keep doing it.
Lemmy communities need a "total blocked" counter so I can use the information to choose.
I sometimes block obnoxious people, but I only block myself from seeing them, right? Their newer comments will still be visible for anyone else. I guess the fediverse cannot handle real blocking of people, right ?
I mean I can understand (not in OPs case) sometimes you want to ban a person, not just block them (again, not in OPs situation, that's just a childish mod).
Correct.
You can also, before you block them as a user, look and see what they mod, if anything.
Block all those comms, then, block the user.
If everyone were to adopt a paradigm like this, active engagement with the... way that lemmy works, to express displeasure with certain people or comms...
You end up with a kind of dynamic equilibrium... people who are disliked, disagreed with... their comms just stagnate.
But, the whole trick is convincing people that... their engagement with lemmy as a system, as a collection of basically message boards run by people... well, it requires active engagement, if you don't want it to redditify, ossify into cliques of ludicrous powermods.
An asymmetrically balanced psuedo-direct democracy, if ya'll can keep it.