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...because VPNs obscure a user’s true location, and because intelligence agencies presume that communications of unknown origin are foreign, Americans may be inadvertently waiving the privacy protections they’re entitled to under the law...

...VPNs might protect you against garden-variety criminals, but the intentional commingling of origin/destination points by VPNs could turn purely domestic communications into “foreign” communications the NSA can legally intercept (and the FBI, somewhat less-legally can dip into at will)...

Certainly the NSA isn’t concerned about “incidental collection.” It’s never been too concerned about its consistent “incidental” collection of US persons’ communications and data in the past and this isn’t going to budge the needle, especially since it means the NSA would have to do more work to filter out domestic communications and the FBI would be less than thrilled with any efforts made to deny it access to communications it doesn’t have the legal right to obtain on its own.

Since the government won’t do this, it’s up to the general public, starting with everyone sharing the contents of this letter with others. VPNs can still offer considerable security benefits. But everyone needs to know that domestic surveillance is one of the possible side effects of utilizing this tech.

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[–] Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Time to spread the free word of Tor to everyone.

[–] rossman@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Is it safe enough to use vpns based out of the US? I'm using nord which is non us.

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 19 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

Nord is owned by Tesonet, a data mining company which also owns SurfShark.

And Private Internet Access and ExpressVPN are owned by Kape, an Israeli firm.

ProtonVPN is owned by Proton, in Switzerland.

[–] leoj@piefed.zip 1 points 14 minutes ago

CyberGhost I believe is also owned by Kape or a subsidiary.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Mullvad is based in Sweden and is the main interest of its seemingly decent, also Swedish, parent company

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

Fan of Mullvad but just be aware its not what you want if you're using a VPN for torrenting. They had to remove their port forwarding feature due to some bad actors ruining it for the rest of us.

[–] leoj@piefed.zip 2 points 13 minutes ago

What happens if you are torrenting via Mullvad?

[–] rossman@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

Thanks for the extra digging, no true privacy but at least there's some transparency with the vpns.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

No. They will see that you’re using a vpn.

They might decide to record your traffic and save it until it can be decrypted.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In theory, I think all VPN usage is grounds to get you put on a list, but Nord is considered a relatively "normie" company by privacy aficionados. Everybody and their mother has seen an ad for it by this point. (The privacy aficionados will probably tell you it's not good enough, but that's a can of worms I won't get into right now.)

[–] rossman@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Makes sense I should probably reframe it as is nord not going to sell their users out without a fight.

Only true privacy is like the tails stuff and some complicated routing stuff all the self hosting guys here probably know about.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 1 hour ago

AFAIK the one company that has been battle-tested is Mullvad, everything else requires (more) crossing your fingers.

Nord has subpar standards when it comes to logging now, and if that's in line with recent Proton behavior, you might that interpret that as a potential willingness to cave to the US with minimal pushback

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Those Senators can gargle some uncooked nuts.

[–] klugerama@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I think you misunderstood who is at fault here.

The senators aren't asking the government to spy on Americans. They're only asking the DNI to make it clear to the public that the US government already might be spying on them.