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[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The first known things pirated looks to have been software at some point in the 70's.

Most music and video files were so large that actively sharing them back then wasn't feasible for most people, though I'm sure many made it work even in those slow times. I remember the days of watching images load in one pixel layer at a time.

Napster was the first real breakout application specifically for getting pirated media, but people were definitely sharing movies, music, and anything else digital over IRC well before Napster popped into existence.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Watching "images" load....

I know what kind of man you are

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

You were also an enjoyer of the clickbaity "money tree" back in the day? Each pixel was a link to something (it was ads, it was entirely ads), but you might could win $10,000 or so it claimed.

Also I was using a 14.4 modem well after 56k and dsl/broadband were introduced and available to everyday consumers. Every webpage took a few minutes to load in for me in those days. It wasn't until a bit after 2003 that I finally caught up with the times.. it's kind of amazing to think that my ping was manageable in Aliens vs Predator 2, and the first Call of Duty.

[–] homes@piefed.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The first known things pirated looks to have been software at some point in the 70's.

Are we gonna split hairs over ARPANET versus the Internet? For what was probably a couple of computer engineering students sharing a copy of Adventure between a couple of university VAX mainframes over an ~~SSH~~ telnet connection…

😛

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

RSH, or more likely telnet, not SSH.

[–] homes@piefed.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

ah, you got me there!

fixed

[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] pwnicholson@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You're actually kinda right. My understanding is the very first jpg image was an unlicensed scan of a playboy centerfold (cropped to exclude the nudity). It was copied and redistributed all over the place, before the internet even existed and it wasn't licensed, but was copyrighted.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In the early '80s, BBSes were a source of piracy. Also, local user groups would share or rent tapes/disks of software 'only to be used that month,' with a wink and a nod.

In the mid-'80s, I was downloading...images from FTP sites around the world, and also assembling multi-part uuencoded files from Usenet.

This was all before the web, and It wasn't new then.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I discovered emulators in the mid 90s so the first thing I pirated was Harvest Moon and Final Fantasy 3 for the SNES since they didn't ever carry these at stores near me to have ever bought them even if I had the money.

The first widely reported instsnce of software piracy was in 1975-1976 when a PC hobby group was distributing copies of newly founded Microsoft's Altair BASIC. Go figure Microslop would be the first software company to do legal battle against piracy. 😒

[–] e0qdk@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

No idea, but Lenna is probably one of the earlier images pirated over the internet given its history in testing image compression algorithms.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I was a teenager when Napster launched. I remember doing a lot of Metallica. And then even more Metallica when they complained about it. And then even MORE when the flash cartoons came out for "Napster bad. Money goooooood"

I don't know exactly what it was first. It was music obviously...but I remember just spending hours downloading stuff, a lot of humor songs too like the kicked my dog, Donald duck blow job, sesamea street etc.

we were grabbin apps in the usenet binaries by the mid-late 80s

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

5 1/4 Inch floppy disk copying and sharing would have been one of the first widespread examples.

alt.binaries newsgroups were an early place to get pictures or software online.

[–] robomuffin79@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

1998 - downloaded hundreds of Super Nintendo, arcade and neo geo rooms to play on an emulator. Used my university’s fast internet connection and a Zip drive to download hundreds of files. A year later got my very own ISDN line then began downloading MP3s and grainy movies. Seeing how the entertainment industry has deteriorated over the years, I don’t feel so guilty these days.

[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't have a source for this but I believe the first internet-pirated item was software, although "pirated" might not be the proper label for it... I vaguely recall an article where the "fathers" of the TCP protocol sent a new revision of some new tcp code across the globe to a 3rd party who did not own the rights to that code somewhere in the 1970s so world wide connections could be tested.

If this does not fit the piracy label then I would not be surprised if Tim Berners-Lee would have used/linked to some imagery or document he didn't have rights for on his first build websites when testing "his" World Wide Web invention.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well, it happened in the age of the BBS and it was porn. I couldn't tell you the title.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Never a trust a Klingon.mp3

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The first thing I downloaded at home was Star Wars Imperial march using a 56k modem. But before that a colleague of my father made a fair bit of money using his relatively fast internet connection to download games and apps from newsgroups, effectively running a subscription service offering 1 CD each with programs and games per month. I still have the Mp3, but the CDs are long gone.

Edit: I just recalled that on one of the CDs the game Battlecruiser 3000AD had a virus - it complained that the executable had been modified, and looking at the exe with an hex editor I found the Signature "At the grave of Grandma..." In the file. A quick search with a manually defined search pattern using f-prot revealed that nearly every executable on my PC was infected. At least my efforts were able to protect a lot of people from the same fate when I reported back to that guy.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I found the Signature "At the grave of Grandma..." In the file.

I tried to find more about this, but it's half "viral grandma meme" and half "help my grandma's phone is full of viruses", lmao

What was this virus?

[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't find a clean wiki entry or anything, but I did find some info. Try searching for GranGrave, GranGrave.1150, or burglar.1150.

The string is mentioned in this doc I found and there are a number of other scattered references. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA394231.pdf

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup, this one: https://wiw.org/~meta/vsum/view.php?vir=245

Our version of f-prot was severely outdated, and remediation method of choice was a full reinstall while booting from a clean 3.5 inch floppy.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago
[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure, I have a background in the scene, but the first thing I remember pirating is Temple of Apshai for my VIC-20, however, I did have a Sinclair before that so I should have pirated something for that too.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

does watching from a streaming site that pirate counts, if so yes. only thing is i have downloaded from sites with textbooks decade+ ago.