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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 25 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Oh this sounds good........ I missed reading the following essential requirements

  • They achieved an unhackable system that also "air gaps" the information used to prove child ID from any external agent, including themselves
  • So it will be pulled immediately if it fails or exposes any childs data
  • Demonstrably withstands hacking? They have independent audit data?
  • Clear accountability clearly laid out for data breaches, including criminal charges?
  • Ministerial accountability?
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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 53 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (17 children)

The motives are irrelevant. This will destroy the internet as we know it and disempower citizens. I can't help but wonder if the empowerment LLMs may have to an individual is terrifying leaders into an authoritarian mindset, finally demanding to be able to know and track what we do online, everywhere we do it. This is about protecting their ability to rule, not children from harm.

[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 17 points 18 hours ago

I can't help but wonder if the empowerment LLMs may have to an individual is terrifying leaders into an authoritarian mindset

LLMs are here to enrich the rich, not to "empower the individual". They require ridiculously expensive computing power, which makes them impractical or even impossible to self-host (with data centers buying up the market, the required hardware becomes unaffordable to the individual). Now you're at the mercy of renting out the compute from the oligarchs and their companies, and you're also relying on their censored and biased models (see Grok and his "Mecha-Hitler" antics if you want a taste of the future). Please don't expect that to empower you, or anyone else. It can't, and even if it could, it wouldn't be available to you.

Unless we democratise LLMs, they'll just become yet another tool of enslavement in the clutches of the Epstein class.

[–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It could greatly boost the use of decentralized apps. Which will ultimately give people more power than they have right now. So in the long run, it might have some positive side effects.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

Cracking down on decetralized apps will be the next logical step

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

to moniter political dissidents against the right wing to be exact, and may track women as well.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Have you not been following the EU and the right-wing influence the last few years? Spain is practically the only leftist country left.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 14 hours ago

Well Ireland is indipendent rn

[–] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 26 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (10 children)

Welp, this was bound to happen, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure they're referring to this application, which I stumbled upon a while back. If I remember correctly, the app "allows" (or implicitly forces) the user to store a government issued identity: able to attest to an age-restricted website, whether or not the user is of age.

It does this, supposedly by "just" sharing an age-bracket with the website; but here's the kicker: the Union, in its generosity, has granted their citizens an in-app option, to withdraw this signal from the websites it has been provided to. What this means in practice, is the app storing one's government-issued identify, also ties back to every account requiring "age-verification"...

So now, every device containing the app, has the owner's government-issued identify on it, together with connections to every age-restricted service. And considering the apps are maintained by the Union, or member states (through their own implementations), creating a backdoor to the application's contents... I mean to "observe app usage", would be absolutely trivial.

Again, I've read it a while back, so some things might've changed, and my memory might be spotty; but I'm quite sure it's along the lines I've described.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 day ago

Ewww gross. Fuck age verification

[–] texture@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (1 children)

bad title, this isnt about protecting kids online

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 day ago

this isnt about protecting kids online

It never is, but they always try to sell unpopular things as "protecting the kids".

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 141 points 1 day ago (24 children)

From my understanding this age verification app seems to be based on the age verification blueprint they have been working on for a while now, which is supposed to be part of the European "digital wallet"

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification

From my understanding it works as follows:

  • There will be a central "authority", with which you can identify
  • This authority will provide you with tokens indicating you are 18+ (or whatever age verfication you may need)
  • These tokens are stored locally, and contain no identifying information other than a simple "is this guy 18+?"
  • You can use these tokens to verify age with a website that requires age verification

This solution does seemingly address my two greatest concern with online age verficiation:

  • You cannot trust the website, so they only get the information they need. They don't get any identifiable information
  • You cannot trust the authority, so they don't get to know for which websites and for what reason you request 18+ tokens

Assuming that this blueprint is followed, it seems like a decent approach at online age verification.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This authority will provide you with tokens indicating you are 18+ (or whatever age verfication you may need) These tokens are stored locally, and contain no identifying information other than a simple "is this guy 18+?"

So they're reusable? One token can be used for multiple age checks, right?

If not, then think about what that means.

  1. The token gets sent back to the authority for revocation.
  2. The token is authorised by the central authority as still valid.
  3. The token is uniquely identifiable
  4. The central authority knows who it issued each token for
  5. The central authority knows who has asked it the verify age.

Sure, the company you're purchasing from may have no new information, but the central authority now has everything it needs to know:

  • How often you buy tobacco, alcohol or medications
  • What discussion boards you are a member of
  • Have you purchased anything age restricted from any store (e.g. propane from a DIY store)
[–] 5gruel@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Not sure that's necessarily true. I don't see why it couldn't work like this:

  1. request personal token from authority. it works similar to a certificate chain, your token is derived from a central certificate
  2. you store your token locally
  3. you visit an age-restricted website. you send your token (or a challenge encrypted with that token) back to the website
  4. the website verifies your token with the certificate from the authority, (like how literal Certificate Authorities work) . the CA doesn't know when or why your token was used.

(fwiw I am sure governments will try their best to make this process less private)

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Your step 4 will make the token reusable, or at least reusable within a time frame. If a token can only be used once there has to be some information flow back to a central approval authority.

[–] Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 104 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I get why this sounds better than websites directly collecting IDs, but I think it still understates the problem. Even if the site only sees “18+”, the system still begins with strong identity proofing somewhere upstream. So this is not really anonymous access, it is identity-based access with a privacy layer on top.

The bigger issue is centralization. You still need trusted issuers, approved apps, approved standards, and authorities deciding who can participate. That means users are being asked to trust a centralized framework not to expand, not to abuse its power, and not to fail. History gives us no reason to be relaxed about that.

I am also skeptical of the privacy promises. These systems are always presented in their ideal form, but real-world implementations involve metadata, logging, renewal, compliance rules, vendors, and future policy changes. “The website does not know who you are” is only one small part of the privacy question.

So even in the best-case version, this is still dangerous because it normalizes the idea that access to lawful online content should depend on credentials issued inside a centrally governed identity ecosystem. Today it is age verification. Tomorrow it is broader permissioned access to the internet. That is why I do not see this as a decent compromise, but as infrastructure for future control.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I do see your concerns as valid. But at least in my country, we already have all of that.

I have an app I use to id myself to all sorts of stuff. Almost all of us has that. All the changes you mention are not changes, we have already had that for years. The new thing is that you don't give your id to the website.

Just like during the pandemic, we had an app to prove our vaccination status, without revealing id. Before that we had to prove id, and then they looked up vaccination status.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

Sweden or Estonia?

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also once they get their foot in the door, they can remove the privacy next time they want to unmask someone online saying "I support Palestine action"

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The big problem is the trustworthiness of that central authority to maintain the confidentiality of your information, and to not use it for other purposes.

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[–] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How about being a fucking parent instead of letting the government do it?

[–] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

The government isn't doing shit except censorship and mass data surveillance. This has less than nothing to do with kids.

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