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Uhmm…people give the Catholic Church hundreds of millions of dollars a year. The church is richer than some countries. I mean, I understand what he was trying to get at, but he might not be the best person to point that out.
This is like Jeffrey Dahmer bemoaning murderers, like Donald Trump complaining about the rich, like Mark Zuckerberg bitching about social networks
The Catholic church is filthy rich, unbelievably wealthy, and sitting on many generations of stolen wealth.
They own 170 million acres of blood-soaked land across the world, more than any other organization on the planet.
Sadly, they are still tax-free in much of the world. God knows what they are really up to
So? One can be part of the issue whilst addressing it. He’s an influential person, would you rather have him not say anything about it?
It would certainly seem less disingenuous
But if he proclaimed the opposite, it would be worse.
The right will be very mad about this
I did not take Pope Leo for a comrade. ✊
This guy is a badass. He is an individual. He is not the Catholic church, but is an individual person within that church. It's extremely bigoted to say "none of it matters" because of what other members of the Catholic church have done. It's like telling a Catholic person, you refuse to be their friend or listen to what they have to say because of what their church has done
I mean, you're right but people do that all the time. I'm not Catholic, but I was raised Catholic and people love to dismiss me as a human being all the time for the fact I attended church when I was a pre-teen, as if this makes me automatically a pedophile apologist or something... but the people who think this way are insane and there is no way to reason with them.
He makes a good point.
At the same time, how much has religion defrauded the common people?
Enemy of my enemy and all that. With the state of things the way they are, you bet I take what I can get.
Rather it be the catholic church doing the defrauding than the regime. At least the church has a (spotted) history of helping people. I mean they shined brightly during the black death, and they are a source of comfort for some people in the final moments. That, in of itself, is noble and something worth supporting despite a spotty record.
Compare that with the regime's looting the coffers with nothing remotely comparable.
Spotted is an understatement. Pedophilic rings and Mafia dealings forever.
Sounds like the US government atm
Yeah.. Leo likes to throw bricks but lives in a glass house of billions and pedophiles and misogyny. Maybe clean up his own act before preaching.
Yeah. I visited the Vatican on vacation and my only thought while inside St Peter's was "Damn this place is so fucking expensive."
I'm not even sure how anyone can get any sort of piety happening with that ridiculous amount of wealth on display.
And they still want women to die in childbirth and have no rights within their church.
How many pedophile priests have been caught to date? 6,000 just in the USA. This makes Epstein Island not even a rounding error.
Why not take on both using the same message.
Let’s not gatekeep influential people acting in the positive interests of others just because they have problems of their own to work on
What is he doing to address the problems in the vatican?
He's making distracting comments. Very Trumpish.
The Catholic church is awful. ALL organized religion is inherently awful. That said, I am never going to shit on anyone trying to steer a giant machine of suck in a less shitty direction. Will he fix it? Hell no, but I genuinely wish he can manage to squeeze some good out of that abomination.
Best of luck to you based pope. I hope you manage some good.
That said, I am never going to shit on anyone trying to steer a giant machine of suck in a less shitty direction.
So you wouldn't shit on someone from the trump administration trying to steer the direction? The only way to manage some good out of this cult is by shutting it down.
I was a Catholic, and the church is big on social justice. I used to listen a lot of sermons about government corruption and social inequality that goes on for nearly two hours.
Is the Catholic church the biggest pedophile ring on the planet? Yes. But hats off to a broken clock that point towards the good direction, but only does so twice a day.
With Epstein's iceberg exposed, I'm not even sure they are the biggest.
Epstein is a few hundred, the Catholic Church has 6,000 pedos caught just in the USA.
I'll upvote you for the sentiment, but any brief consideration of the scope of the church worldwide yields a significantly broader and more accessible footprint than the top tier of wealth hoarders. The valuation of the church versus those individuals is probably equal, though.
True enough. I concede the notion.
Amen.
So once again the pope doesn't name names. He has the power to make statements against Trump and his shit, but dances around the issues instead.
because even the church is susceptible to legal action.
this was an official decree from the church. you can't just openly accuse individuals because you want to, that's how you get sued.
just because you can kick one person's ass doesn't mean you go around looking for a fight from everyone.
And then the Trump administration would have to prove him false. Wonder how well that would for them. If you are afraid of being sued then you are basically being told to shut up, but sometimes you shouldn't shut up and must speak to the facts and name those that break laws. With him putting his head in the sand just proves that his is afraid. Which he needs to put on his big boy pants and speak against leaders that start wars and name names. We have enough people with power not doing shit. We don't need yet another person with power to dance around the issues.
Can we please not have the pedophile CEO of a bigot and homophobic cult on the frontpage?
I cant believe Im agreeing with the Pope and Im on Irans side in a war.... but here we are
Things are getting WEIRD
And the Catholic Church is one of the richest bodies in the world.
And rich pedophiles, at that.
I'm almost starting to think that pedophillia may be a symptom of being ultra rich.
Like, you're that level of status, and you want to tuck a beautiful woman, they can just send out a text and have a harem of legal-age beautiful women delivered in 30 minutes or less.
When you're a star, they let you.
But where's the fun in that?
I imagine having lines of beautiful women waiting to bed you may get somewhat tiring after a while. They need some forbidden fruit.
Reminder that the Catholic church just instituted an absolute trans healthcare ban in the USA - including for adults. This is worse than the Trump regime's laws, plus the Catholic church owns an astounding number of hospitals.
He is not a "woke pope". This is the Catholic church.
Isn't the Catholic church like a big tent with the pope as its figurehead? Obviously he can steer the church in a certain direction, but does he necessarily condone everything that happens under its banner?
does he necessarily condone everything that happens under its banner?
by doing nothing about it, absolutely yes.
Yes. The pope isn't so micromanaging monarch who is like determining every other member's policy.
You can live in the same city, and multiple congregations in that city have wildly different levels interpretations of scripture and politics that they preach. There are progressive Catholics and ones who are Orthodox.
but we can't let that never of nuace int othe discussion, because lemmy users are Very Intelligent and know that all religion is bad, and FOSS is the only true god we should all worship at the temple of...
Maybe true, but not very ~~relative~~ relevant to the fact that international companies more powerful than some nations are gaming every system they can to squeeze more profit, by the expense of everyone else.