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Is it still viable to use Signal for privacy in 2026? It's centralized, and has had many suspicious occurrences in the past.(Unopen source server code, careless whisper exploit which is still active as far as I know, and the whole mobile coin situation.)

Thoughts?

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[–] listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The client is open source, so it doesn't matter what the server code is, you can see everything the client sends and therefore tell what possible data is being collected.

It's run by a non-profit so there's no shareholders to please.

Your messages and decryption key are not stored on their servers.

It's been independently audited.

They have publicly posted responses to user information requests where they only provide the account creation date and last access time.

The (admittedly incompetent) US government recommends using Signal (for non-classified information) and top officials have been caught using it (Houthi Working Group).

You can never be 100% sure, but it appears to have excellent security and privacy.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

and top officials have been caught using it (Houthi Working Group).

For me this is the gold seal.

These guys desperately don't want records of their acts to become public record and they have the authority to outright ask US Intelligence 'Can you guys get access to this?' and the app they choose is Signal.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

And then proceed to invite a random journalist to their group 😅

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the FBI admitted that the only data from Singal they get is when the account signed up and when they last connected and they are very unhappy about so little information.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

And the phone number! But still not a crime to be using signal (yet).

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people use Signal. It may not be the best solution out there, but it is so, so, so much better than the proprietary alternates.

One good thing is that a normie can easily use it as an alternative to WhatsApp, since the app design is so similar. I mean, it is easy for family and friends to understand and start using Signal, compared to something like Matrix or XMPP.

And if someone needs a little more hardening, they could use the fork called Molly, which has a few more security benefits over the stock app.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Shit these are great features. I had never heard of it before.

Molly is an independent Signal fork for Android with improved features:

Fully FOSS Contains no proprietary blobs, unlike Signal

Encrypted Protects database with Passphrase Encryption

Multi-Device Pair multiple devices to a single account

Material You Extra theme that follows your device palette

UnifiedPush Ungoogled notification system

Automatic Locking When you are gone for a set period of time

RAM Shredding Securely shreds sensitive data

Tor Support Supports SOCKS proxy and Tor via Orbot

[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ooh! And you can add an F-Droid repo!
https://molly.im/fdroid/

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who do you want privacy from and why?

That's not a rhetorical question. It matters. If you want privacy from corporations and governments doing mass surveillance because you're against mass surveillance in principle, Signal is great! As long as you don't give janky apps permission to read your notifications, or you limit what Signal shows in its notifications, your device won't leak to those kinds of threat actors. You can't be sure everyone you talk to is as fastidious though.

If the cops, gangsters, or similar are likely to target you and the people you're talking to directly, there's a good chance just using Signal without a security plan won't keep them from getting the contents of the conversation as in this recent incident where the FBI extracted deleted messages from notification logs. To defend against that specific attack, everyone needs to configure Signal to keep message content and contact details out of the notification. Dedicated devices for secure communication set up by someone who knows what they're doing are ideal in this situation. Signal is still a good choice here, but Signal alone won't guarantee privacy.

If you're being targeted by an intelligence agency from a rich country that has allocated a significant budget to surveil you in particular, you're probably screwed. There's plenty of public information about how US government officials and contractors are required to work with classified information to get a sense of how you might try to mount a defense. It's guaranteed to be inconvenient.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

agreed and to add to this:

Dedicated devices for secure communication set up by someone who knows what they’re doing are ideal in this situation.

becoming your own expert is unfeasible for 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of people and expecting it is no different than expecting people to become their own lawyer, dentist, or doctor.

If you’re being targeted by an intelligence agency from a rich country that has allocated a significant budget to surveil you in particular, you’re probably screwed

the bar against protecting yourself from the local police in the united states is MUCH lower than the cia, nsa, mossad, etc. and should be the goal of most projects since it's the most realistic and the most likely to happen; there's next to nothing that can be done against he alternatives.

the alternative is that unfeasible ultra high bar and judges in the united states have a history of holding people in jail for years for contempt of court of not providing passwords or using duress like options on their electronic equipment.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Yes. You will find a lot of randos saying no, but the consensus among security professionals and researchers is that it is still the current standard. Not to say that it doesn't deserve scrutiny or criticism, or that other projects aren't important to develop.

[–] airikr@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you don't care about sharing your phone number with Signal and a third-party company (Signal refuses to state what company it is) that send the text message with the activation code to you. And if you don't care that everything will be saved on servers maintained by Amazon in USA.

Then yes, Signal is the right app for you even in 2026.

But if you do care (and you should) about your phone number and the location of your data, you should focus on something more privacy like XMPP (Snikket would be the easiest way to setup your own server) and SimpleX.

XMPP (for an example Snikket) uses OMEMO and OMEMO is based on Signal Protocol.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

PRODUCT PITCH: Hey everyone, I have a great idea for a secure / private messaging service.

It's hosted in the US, subject to its pervasive spying laws including national security letters.

Also I need all your phone numbers.

Also no you can't host this yourself, I run the only server.


Everyone who uses signal and supports it, is falling for this pitch.

Why not signal?

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Name a more secure way to communicate with normies. They're not going to use SimpleX or Matrix...

[edit:fuck downvoters of this up the ass. Your siblings/cousins/parents/freinds are not ALL going to deal with Matrix on mobile/desktops. 100% fuck you for your puerile dedication to purity. You are Whatsapping right fucking now, hypocrite scum]

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People are not as stupid as these large centralized sites like signal keep telling you they are. Ppl figured out how to make accounts on different services, forums, and platforms since the internet began. It is no more difficult to make a matrix account, or install simpleX than it is anything else. My partner and I figured out simplex within 10 minutes.

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm not saying people can't figure it out, but most normies won't try on principle or something. Hell, I've gotten pushback from software engineers when asking them to do Matrix. Signal is known enough that most normies will use it, though, and it at least is not explicitly known to be centrally backdoored in terms of the encryption like a Whatsapp, which in my experience is the other option normies will bear.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Most normies aren't using Signal either, they're all on Whatsapp and fb messenger. You'd be asking them to switch platforms to use Signal just as you would with any other app.

[–] voxel@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I read the article in the past, and it is still as flawed as it used to be. You're quite extremist without much legitimate reason. Signal is and will likely stay for the foreseeable time one of the most secure and private messengers.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Whenever Signal advocates chime in, they never help beat the allegation of being a cult that cannot be reasoned with.

[–] voxel@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

Personal attacks are used by people who lack valid arguments; therefore, I will block you to protect my psychological well-being.

Anyone interested in discussing actual Signal flaws, like the unecessary phone number requirement is free to reply and do so.

[–] autonomous@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just remember that if you, or anyone you are talking to, has notifications turned on (in the app itself), that conversation is now outside of signal and a lot easier to get to.

[–] lol_idk@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago

Didn’t they just fix this this week?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The stories I've heard where Signal messages have been extracted or otherwise accessed was from beyond either end. Someone invited a journalist to a private group chat. Someone handed someone else an unlocked device. The most alarming one is apparently Apple uploads every push notification your device gets to their servers. So if you are concerned about privacy there's a feature in Signal to set push notifications to only say "you got a message" and not include the sender or message contents in the notification.

I haven't heard of Signal itself leaking messages.

[–] stegosaur@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is not true for Signal. Other apps may send the notification content but signal uses FCM to push a simple notification to wake the device and tell signal to fetch the actual notification. You can use the full text / info notification and know that Google does not see it.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/1279-sandboxed-google-play-for-push-notifications-breaks-privacy/9

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That is true for Signal, the FBI extracted Signal message content from Apple's push notification system: https://www.404media.co/fbi-extracts-suspects-deleted-signal-messages-saved-in-iphone-notification-database-2/

The only thing to learn is everything is bullshit and nothing has ever been okay.

[–] stegosaur@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We are both right 😆

It is true for Signal on Apple devices.

It is not true for Signal on Android devices*

*Well I'm using grapheneOS so I feel more comfortable in my case but a regular Android device with full access Google Play Services? That I'm not so sure about. It's conceivable that Google has a way to read the final notification (FCM push -> Signal fetches and displays message -> Google can read all notifications on the device, FCM or otherwise) 😬

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is what people don't get when it comes to that story about the journalist. You literally have to go out of your way to invite someone into a group chat. That does not happen on accident on Signal.

I had to explain that to a few people who heard that story and were super skeptical about Signal being dangerous. Which is ironic because the same people would be using messenger and think nothing of it.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the thing with Signal is "Oh it's secure. Very secure. You don't get better security in an app you can just install and use. You can get better security but you gotta like, learn shit about security." And that makes people use Signal without learning shit about security. So they make mistakes on their end. Those mistakes range in stupidity from "handed a cop my unlocked phone" to "didn't know Apple and Google peek at all your push notifications."

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I think the best rule of thumb is that unless you're a tech wizard, you don't have online privacy. At all.

I don't believe anything is super safe and secure online. Not even Signal.

I always treat my online activity as if I am being surveilled because I probably am. Luckily I'm a boring bitch, so I don't really have anything to hide, but I do appreciate that I can stay in touch with friends and family without having to linger on Facebook anymore. So there's that.

The only time I feel annoyed about people talking about Signal is when they talk about it as if it's this super sketchy app that shares your data when literally every single friggin platform online does that and the same skeptical people use them all the time without question.

That part annoys me because people keep acting like we aren't already completely naked and our information owned by companies who do god knows what with it. If people are aware that everything they do is being surveilled and used for whatever purpose, then I don't really mind, but it doesn't seem like that is the case for many people. I genuinely still cannot believe how many people jumped on the DNA test trend, for example. Like holy shit, just give them your firstborn too, while you're at it. XD but hey, we all make stupid mistakes now and again. I remember my first smartphone having a thumbprint lock and I just did that throughout my early to mid 20s without thinking about it. At least they only have one of my thumbprints but yeah. It's so insidious, the way the tech world has lured us into giving up our information willingly.

The worst thing anyone can do when they are online is to believe they have any privacy. That is hubris.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

are you me? because i look at it the same way, plus the fact that i always expect to be hopelessly outclassed by cia/nsa/mimossad/etc. so i always presume that everything i do online or on my phone is being broadcast to them in real time.

my only hope is that i'm also so boring and inconsequential to them that they don't give a rat's ass at whatever i do. lol

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, exactly. I just always found it to be silly and arrogant to assume that I could ever outsmart agencies, organisations and companies that not only specializes in getting my data, but also built the tech and the systems I am navigating.

And I mean, I have enjoyed true crime since the Forensic Files were still explaining to normal citizens what DNA is and how that technology is applied in crime cases. I have casually followed the development of forensic sciences for at least two decades and let me tell you, there ain't no way you can hide online. The ones who can either have the right connections, are unbelievably skilled and cautious with tech or they don't use technology at all and live in an off grid cabin somewhere, where nobody uses smartphones.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I never thought I would see a Unabomber lifestyle endorsement on Lemmy. Lol

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 points 4 months ago

I dunno if I would call it an endorsement. It was more so to show how impossible it is to have privacy online, lol. You'd have to go to extremes to avoid having any information about you end up online. And honestly, even if you went off grid in a cabin somewhere, there still is no guarantee that you will succeed in keeping yourself offline entirely. Kaczynski is probably also a bad example as you can find pretty much everything there is to know about him online. A selfinflicted fate.

Anyways, the point is that privacy doesn't really exist if you own a phone, tablet or computer.