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Repost from a little earlier because I spent too much time on my answer and I'm salty that OP deleted the thread.

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[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 51 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

It was due to a direct order from a pope (George/Gregory #??) to not destroy “high places” but to use them to gain more traction from the locals. There’s actually a still intact letter written by him, sent to the guy in charge of converting the pagans in scandinavia. There is no known better representation of this than Norways(?) oldest stave church. It is a christian church, built/ordered to be built by christians yet the inside is full of pagan themes. There is even a tiny one-eyed Odin a top one of the pillars. *The stave church, IIRC, is Borgund. Really famous one. If you go, bring a flashlight and maybe binoculars and look at all the tiny carvings not usually seen by people up high in the ceiling and pillars.

It was a strategy of conversion from “respect”. As if to say both religions are the same; Odin is just a ‘mask’ for god. Our religion is closer to the truth. It worked very well.

Sauce: I did a whole course on this because a bunch of historians asked the same question.

*Found the letter! It was by Pope Gregory I, directing abbot Mellitus c. 597 CE:

https://my.tlu.edu/ICS/icsfs/ConversionSourcesBritFrnRussia8pg.pdf?target=e1cd546f-6a9a-4124-b399-08930007d2aa

Tell Augustine that he should be no means destroy the temples of the gods but rather the idols within those temples. Let him, after he has purified them with holy water, place altars and relics of the saints in them. For, if those temples are well built, they should be converted from the worship of demons to the service of the true God. Thus, seeing that their places of worship are not destroyed, the people will banish error from their hearts and come to places familiar and dear to them in acknowledgement and worship of the true God.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Same reason Pine trees are used to celebrate a birth in the desert... Or bunnies laid eggs to celebrate his resurrection...

When Europe was converted, the only thing that matters is when asked "are you Christian?" Europeans replied "yes".

So whatever Pagans were doing, was co-opted into Christianity.

And that included not just their rituals and objects of worship, but their holy sites as well.

Past gods became saints, and often the main change to worship sites was a cross was erected in the middle.

After decades and generations went by, church officials moved in and slowly started indoctrination on the youth, and as each generation grew up, the pagans ties were slowly eroded.

After centuries, no one questions it.

It was a long game.

[–] Limfjorden@feddit.dk 1 points 40 minutes ago

Christmas trees are not a pagan invention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41KXS-LWsY

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Or bunnies laid eggs to celebrate his resurrection…

Apparently the idea that Easter is appropriation of a pagan holiday is a myth. The history is a bit more complicated; here are some historians who can explain it smarter than me: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1sd7bgp/does_easter_symbology_have_pagan_roots/

Or if you prefer video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31k28_rdTg

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Syncretism is the term that explains this best. The Romans had a habit if not entirely crushing the beliefs of the people they conquered, they just stuck their own on top of the local beliefs and brought some of those traditions back to rome.

Fast forward a long ass time and now most everyone has a winter soltice festival.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

At least part of Easter was a Germanic holiday with the giant bunny handing out eggs and whatever. Forget what they call it.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 0 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago) (1 children)

Again, I'm not a historian but there's some evidence to the contrary. The TL;DR is that Easter is a Christian holiday but secular traditions became associated with it centuries later:

"The earliest certain attestation of the Easter bunny dates to 1682, in a pamphlet titled Satyrae medicae continuatio XVIII disputatione ordinaria disquirens de ovis paschalibus ('continuation of a medical satire no. 18, enquiring in a serial disputation on the subject of Easter eggs') by G. Franck von Franckenau, published in Heidelberg,...:

In Germania Superiore, Palatinatu nostrate, Alsatia et vicinis locis, ut et in Westphalia vocantur haec ova di Hasen-Eier a fabula, qua simplicioribus et infantibus imponunt Leporem (der Oster-Hase) eiusmodi ova excludere, et in hortis in gramine, fruticetis et c. abscondere ut studiosius a pueris investigentur, cum risu et iucunditate seniorum. Et revera saepe leporum, h. e. Imprudentium nomine possunt venire, qui eiusmodi ovis exposititiis non solummodo iocos quaerunt: Siquidem saepe cum illis ovis pueri valetudinis suae magnam inveniunt iacturam; quando dein, semoto arbitro, ista iusto avidius per ingluviem ingurgitant, sine sale, butiro, aut alio condimento; ...

In Upper Germany, (my) native Palatinate, Alsatia, and neighbouring regions, as also in Westphalia, these eggs are called 'the Rabbit Eggs', because they have a custom for simple people and children that a Rabbit -- 'the Easter Rabbit' -- hides the eggs in such a manner, and conceals them in gardens in the grass, fruit trees and so on, for them to be hunted out very carefully by children, to the laughter and amusement of their elders. And in fact people can sometimes come by the name of 'rabbits', that is, fools, if they search when eggs are hidden in this way not just as a joke. In fact children often do serious damage to their health with these eggs, if their guardian is absent, if they devour them too greedily out of gluttony, without salt or butter or other condiment ...

(The pamphlet goes on about the eggs, but doesn't mention the rabbit again.)

There are claims floating around that there's an earlier reference to the Bunny dating to 1572. As pointed out to me earlier this year (offsite) by someone going under the name of 'Marvin', this is a misattribution derived from a 1933 article --

Vielleicht spielt auch schon Fischart in 'Aller Praktik Grossmutter' (1572) auf den Osterhasen an, wenn er sagt: 'Sorg nicht, dass dir der Haas vom Spiess entlauf: Haben wir nicht die Eier, so braten wir das Nest'.

Perhaps Fischart also already played on the Easter Rabbit in 'All Grandma's customs' (1572) where he says: 'Don't worry if the Rabbit escapes from the spit: if we don't have the eggs, we'll cook the nest'.

However, the 1572 source doesn't contain this line: it actually comes from Sander's Gargantua und Pantagruel vol. 3, page 420, published in 1787. How the 1933 article came to misattribute the line is beyond my knowledge.

Anyway, that means the line is nearly a century later than the actual earliest attestation. Franck von Franckenau, in 1682, remains the earliest source for the Easter Bunny.

There is incidentally no evidence for any link between rabbits and the pre-Christian English goddess Eostre, attested by Bede in the early 700s. I once thought this link was suggested by Jacob Grimm in his Deutsche Mythologie (1835), albeit purely as a speculation, but now that I look at Grimm again I don't find any such suggestion there. I'm not certain what the origin of that supposed link is.

There are various reports of alternative Easter critters in Germany up to the early 20th century (and potentially later), such as the Easter Fox and a Franconian Easter Stork. To the extent that they are legitimate, they would tend to indicate that the Easter Bunny originates in a German Easter Critter of indeterminate species, but I don't have anywhere to point for good documentation for them: I can vouch for Franck von Franckenau's Oster-Hase, I can't vouch for the other critters."

If this is true, then the order goes Easter --> secular/Germanic traditions rather than traditions --> Easter. But this is not my area of expertise and I am open to evidence that the r/AskHistorians person quoted above is wrong.

[–] wolfrasin@lemmy.today 13 points 4 hours ago

Because Christianity spread through Europe by Roman conquest & co-opting the local Gods into the fold was their thing. Have you seen the Greek pantheon?

[–] axh@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Churches are still built (from time to time) and I don't think anyone still cares to search for a Pagan ritual site for each new construction.

The church oppression of pagans was so strong that when I tried to learn about the Slavic pagan myths, the book just said that most of it is guessing and approximation, because not enough sources survived the "burning love and compassion" of the Christian church.

[–] AverageEarthling@feddit.online 8 points 4 hours ago

"because our god can beat up your god!" - christians (probably)

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca -5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well, they went and started saying antisemitic shit and got upset with push back.

Edit: Lol at the downvotes. No seriously the original poster of this question went antisemitic and downvoters are upset that I gave context. Or are you all sock puppets?