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Maybe this has been asked or answered before but im watching the tng episode where wesely takes the starfleet entrance exams and only one person gets it. Im thinking its per quadrant thing but it just seems so nuts that they take so few. Not to mention you would think two or three would be retakers. Was this ever explained?

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[–] SincerityIsCool@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think what others said about the writers not thinking it through and the canon being wobbly is the right answer. But I had a thought about what it might be if we were to assume it's intentional:

Starfleet might have tiered selection processes based on the circumstances of the applicant. As we're talking about a distant future utopian society, I'm going to assume their education process in Starfleet Academy is good enough that they don't actually care how many facts Wesley knows. Those can be taught. They're trying to pick out the best and brightest. But they probably also want to maintain Starfleet's population as a whole as reasonably representative of the federation so that in times of war they are motivated to fight for the whole federation. They would also have advanced social sciences and are well aware of structural biases like privilege. Taken together, ill conceived entrance requirements could lead to a nepotism/caste of generational spacer families serving in Starfleet. That would be bad for the diplomatic side of the federation as then they'd be more loyal to the institution of Starfleet than the federation, and then the protection of Starfleet amounts to "trust me bro" when negotiating with prospective new member worlds who will want their people serving across Starfleet.

Those taken together means yes it makes sense to have a small and highly restricted and competitive pool for those who are the kids of senior officers serving in prestigious posts and granted unique educational opportunities.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah. We already see in American universities that a lot of universities split up their student bodies, with collegiate honors programs on one end and pre-freshmen summer courses for first generation students from marginal high schools.

If we compare Wesley to Nog, I wouldn't be surprised if Nog had to take remedial classes in Starfleet Academy, not because he is stupid but because his level of formal education was far below Wesley's.

[–] qantravon@startrek.website 8 points 1 day ago

Wasn't this Wesley's attempt at an early admission? It could be they specifically limited early admission candidates, and all 4 people we saw were competing for one of those slots.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 9 points 1 day ago

My understanding/head canon is that the entrance exam Wesley takes would be one specifically designed for super geniuses. He had already been labeled "space Mozart", and the other candidates are also portrayed as high achievers, if not outright savants.

Why a scientific exploration force wouldn't accept all suited applicants before the Daystrom Institute incubator program snags them up is beyond me... What we see in the episode seems counterintuitive, and more like a military approach to selecting "the best of the best" through competitive testing. I understand your confusion 😄

But the Doylean reason is of course that they needed Wesley in a sharply defined dramatic trial situation, and could neither afford nor coordinate 150 extras to portray a more "realistic" entrance exam.

I don't think "Coming of Age" is very clear on this topic. It's probably best to assume that only one candidate from that small group will be selected, and that there are many similar groups throughout the Federation. A pretty silly way to run things, but... 🤷

[–] hallettj@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I got the impression the one-person entrance quota was for that specific region. Like maybe the sector they were in or something. In the TNG era the Federation has something like 150 member planets, I think. Plenty of those could have billions of inhabitants each. That would imply a lot of competition for space in the one campus by San Francisco! That might require strict entrance quotas.

I don't know if Coming of Age is consistent with other depictions of the entrance process. In other stories it seems like getting in is much easier.

I've heard speculation that the reason the Starfleet crews we see are so overwhelmingly human is because different species tend to stick together, and there are other ships and crews out there that are mostly non-human; but we happen to be shown the human ones in the shows. There have been explicit references to exclusively Vulcan crews, such as Sisko's rival's crew in Take Me Out to the Holosuite. Given the scale of the Federation I think it would make sense if there were lots of academies on different planets, and the Earth academy is the one humans mostly go to. But I don't think there's any hint of that in the shows.

Several aspects of the universe were developed over time and several writers will have been involved. The insane scarcity of spots for the academy is something from early TNG that pretty much falls by the wayside later on and goes unremarked. Like Chief O'Brian starts off as a nameless con/nav officer with lieutenant pips and then somehow becomes a non-com with a rich war history, a wife that hates him, and a child lost in time temporarily.

They needed to keep the Wheaton out lukewarm in case the child actor wanted out or had to go for another reason. So they dangled his acceptance to the academy in front of us so it wouldn't be a surprise when they finally got rid of the boy (the boy?). It's a bit far fetched that super warp genius tapped to become a traveler of space and time would not get in as many times as he didn't, for various questionable reasons.