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[–] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm very worried about everyone here. Really, I know that there is a way out that isn't suicide--it's revolution--but it seems like you've all submitted to Capitalist Realism. I've thought about risking my life in an attempt to overthrow the state, but unlike you all, I am legitimately afraid of losing my life. It'd be such a sad note to end my life on. I wouldn't be there to see any surprising good things happen. I wouldn't get to see a socialist system established before me, and I wouldn't be able to do anything to help anyone. How come you all feel fine about death? There's nothing afterwards. There were the Viet Cong who couldn't live to see their country establish socialism, there were the Leninists who died fighting the Tsar who couldn't see the Soviet Union come to be, there were the slaves who died in Southern plantations who couldn't see Juneteenth. If you were really willing to die, you'd die in battle.

[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you explain your ideas in more detail? I'm not understanding, but want to read more.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Then, after you get “saved” from suicide, they strip you of your rights and shove you in a cell for up to five days.

And that attitude is what the staff will have towards you. You are there to be punished for daring to be suicidal and trying to reject the gift of life. You’ll probably lose your job after the hospital stay, and then get stuck with thousands in bills for the “treatment” (sitting in a room watching day time tv while you listen to people in psychosis or dementia getting the shit beaten out of them by the staff.)

But this is a good thing! It’s so much better to be alive then not dead, that’s why we need to abuse suicidal people!

[–] brognak@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yepo. I was on a 72hr hold after a manic episode caused by a med interaction (Wellbutrin, took away the mild depression but let the massive anxiety run wild) and it was the worst fucking experience of my life. Literally just stick you in a program that doesn't give a fuck about why your there, just headcount they can bill for. I was perfectly fine like 2hrs after I got locked in and spent the remaining 70hrs climbing the walls.

0/10 Do not recommend. And this was in Massachusetts, a place wildly known for good healthcare.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 27 points 2 days ago (8 children)
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[–] TheTurner@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is why I never told anyone when I held a gun to my head. I was afraid it would ruin my life after I didn't do it.

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[–] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We should make dying in battle a good thing again. The wrong kind of peace is a blight upon society.

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[–] coldasblues@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago

No no, you don't get it. You have to suicide the slow American way with cancer and heart disease. Pick your favorite form of socially acceptable self mutilation today!

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

i always thought (and pretty sure this is the case in most places) that suicide was technically a crime to give police an excuse to bust in to stop an attempt if needed. not to put people in fucking jail for failing to go through with it.

but then again the us would like any excuse to incarcerate people so who knows.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)

Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.

[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because there is no way to prove involuntary care makes suicide more likely (since those with a financial interest will always say the post-release suicides were hospitalized due to having worse mental health), the grifting of the downtrodden will continue.

I long for the day a genius statisitcian finds a way to prove what all involuntarily treated people already know.

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[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 105 points 3 days ago (8 children)

And then the people all clapped and patted themselves on the back for saving the guy and went about their day. But the guy went back to the same life full of problems that led him to despair. Crippling debt or depression. Estrangement from loved ones that are no longer willing to reconnect. Loneliness or defamation or disease. It's easy to save someone from jumping, but this is not help. That is not the help they need. They need constant and long term help, assistance, and support.

Saving a stranger from a suicide attempt has a vibe to it like preventing an abortion from happening without providing any further support for the mother or the child. Congrats, you saved a life, technically. But you did nothing to save the life.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

No you dumbass they are going to be sent to get help.

Nearly everyone that attempts suicide and survives regrets trying and are glad they've failed.

Sorry for my strong language, but I've had friends and loved ones struggle with mental illness. A few have attempted suicide and either failed or have been stopped. I once took a friend's gun the day before he tried to commit suicide. If I had not done that he would be dead today, but today he is happy. He has a life worth living and is doing infinitely better.

Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.

This is nothing like going to a doctor and seeking a medical procedure like an abortion. If anything this is like a woman throwing herself down the stairs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. They don't need to be allowed to throw themselves down the stairs. They need to be stopped and given access to proper medical care.

[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.

I disagree. Life can be awful and people can make rational decisions to die.

"Mental health crisis" and "incapable of making that decision" just are ways of saying "this person must be forced to give money to the mental health system through compliance with druggings and forced in-patient care that they will be billed for."

You're likely part of the mental health industry. Only one of "them" would think 30K in additional debt (paid to mental health workers/doctors) is always better than death.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a chance someone else in that crowd understood and began taking daily time to interact with the man. It's not impossible.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please keep your hands, feet and body fully inside the vehicle.

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[–] jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Damn the guy must have felt terrible in that moment.

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[–] TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Nobody asks to be brought into this world. You should be allowed to determine when you've had enough.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We should be encouraging these people to take their frustrations out on the ruling class.

Give them something to live for. Something to believe in.

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[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

this comment section might be insane

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

I want to see the German version next.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just let him rest, people.

Not everyone wants to exist. We didn't tell our parents to birth us.

Fuck it

[–] nerv@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yet we value life above all else. If people reach that point, where living holds no worth, we as a society have failed them.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (11 children)

But at some point mightn't it be time to accept that?

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ohh, my turn to post this classic:

The view from halfway down - Alison Tafel 

The weak breeze whispers nothing
the water screams sublime.
His feet shift, teeter-totter
deep breaths, stand back, it’s time.

Toes untouch the overpass
soon he’s water-bound.
Eyes locked shut but peek to see
the view from halfway down.

A little wind, a summer sun
a river rich and regal.
A flood of fond endorphins
brings a calm that knows no equal.

You’re flying now, you see things
much more clear than from the ground.
It's all okay, or it would be
were you not now halfway down.

Thrash to break from gravity
what now could slow the drop?
All I’d give for toes to touch
the safety back at top.

But this is it, the deed is done
silence drowns the sound.
Before I leaped I should've seen
the view from halfway down.

I really should’ve thought about
the view from halfway down.
I wish I could've known about
the view from halfway down—

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

The Hippocratic oath is far too frequently interpreted as a mandate to unilaterally inflict life as broadly and indiscriminately as possible.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago (10 children)

My personal moral code is that we should only use communication to try to stop suicide, I think it's unethical to physically stop them.

I would only get them out of the situation once they tell me they changed their mind.

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