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    alt textAn edit of xkcd 2501, "Average Familiarity":
    [Ponytail and Cueball are talking. Ponytail has her hand raised, palm up, towards Cueball.]
    Ponytail: Open-source alternatives are second nature to us foss nerds, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows Linux and one or two degoogled Android ROMs.
    Cueball: And Firefox, of course.
    Ponytail: Of course.

    [Caption below the panel]
    Even when they're trying to compensate for it, experts in anything wildly overestimate the average person's familiarity with their field.

    partly inspired by the replies to this post but i see this kind of thing all the time (shoutout to the person who once genuinely asked "who still uses google these days?")

    made with this neat tool

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    [–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

    Happens all the time. Also, nerds tend to overestimate the amount of resources, like time or money, someone would put on something they care about.

    Right here in Lemmy I had this interaction where someone argued that if one were to lose their photos because Google had an oopsie, it’s kind of their fault because they didn’t have a backup plan.

    [–] arcine@jlai.lu 10 points 18 hours ago (17 children)

    Okay but litterally everyone knows about Firefox.

    I'm willing to concede some people don't know about Linux. But I've never met anyone who didn't know about Firefox.

    [–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if gen alpha hasn't heard if it because schools primarily use Chromebooks and the only browser is chrome

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    [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 12 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    I have had a comm literally dogpile me claiming linux wasn't designed for multi sessions or to run as a terminal server.

    My respect for lemmy foss forums is in the fucking toilet.

    [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 18 hours ago

    My experience with the Linux communities here has been the opposite. Very welcoming, and very helpful.

    [–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

    there's a lot of people that hopped on the Linux train in the past few years. which is great, truly. but many of them don't understand where it came from or what it was originally designed to solve. particularly on lemmy, people are pretty up in arms about their opinions of Linux all the time, so I would bet whichever comm was doing that is mainly the new heads. again, love that it's getting mainstream recognition but I wish the combative attitude was at least tabled until they actually understand it.

    the recent debate of systemd in here kind of drove home that a lot of people just parrot points without having their own thought out opinions.

    [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 19 hours ago

    Oh let's be honest, elitism has always been baked into linux a bit. Remember the old joke about how to get help on a linux comm? Ask and get told to RTFM even if you detail a complex issue that demonstrates you have in fact read tf m. Say "linux sucks because you can't do X or Y like you can in windows" and they fall over themselves.....

    But yeah, the new batch of users are just...you want to gently grab them by the face and say "you're not fucking nero hacking the matrix because a command line interface doesn't make you shit your pants any more my dude. Stop acting like it."

    [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

    As soon as a kind of Tech starts getting fanboys, you start getting ignorant bollocks about it, not just from the fanboys but also from the kind of people that, just as emotionally, set themselves against the fanboys not because of any understanding of the weaknesses of the Tech itself but purelly as a psychological need to set themselves against the fanboys.

    Linux used to have a huge barrier to entry - for example, you used to literally have to understand how CRTs worked in order to configure X and get it running - which kept the fanboyism down and the few whose like for it went all the way into fanboyisms were at least technically savvy so mainly understood what they were talking about, but nowadays the "quality" of fanboys is closer to the level of game, celebrity or or political fanboys - people highly emotionally engaged that don't have any in depth understanding and are only "experts" on the highly visible superficial stuff.

    Anyways, all this to say that fanboyism, whilst being a bad way to relate to Tech (IMHO, and the same for people who set themselves against fanboys as just as mindless contrarians), does indicate to me that Linux is definitelly becoming established as mainstream rather than the OS for mainly server side experts and hobbyists that it was for decades.

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    [–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 16 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

    I think they'll know about VLC, Audacity and Blender also

    [–] ProperlyProperTea@lemmy.ml 12 points 19 hours ago

    All FOSS nerds that joined after 2020 only know OBS, charge they phone, distro hop, eat hot chip, and GUI.

    [–] festnt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago

    libreoffice is getting there too

    every pc i've used has had libreoffice, even at my job even though they have licenses for almost everything from microsoft

    [–] 30p87@feddit.org 13 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    VLC and Blender are not really alternatives tho, rather industry standard

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    [–] razen@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago

    This is true for every field. I have noticed this many times, whenever I was introduced to something new I never expected those things to be that deep. So I have understood that almost all things are shallow in nature to us until and unles we ourself step into it

    [–] guymontag@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I said "web browser" when talking to a mac user. They had noo idea what I was talking about till I said safari xd.

    [–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Branded language makes us only see one choice, its very anti competitive.

    [–] elaina@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    Yeah, like 'google it' instead of 'look it up'

    [–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

    I started replacing "to google sth." with " to search sth." since I use several search engines besides google and for some of them using the brand name is just ridiculous.

    "Let me DuckDuckGo that real quick!" quack

    [–] elaina@lemmy.zip 3 points 16 hours ago

    Lemme gpt it

    [–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

    Googol is a hitten for great quantities, it worked great as a word, and it would be great if Google lost it as a trademark. However we have the force to seed a new word that has a similar image.

    If the internet was an ocean of content, then we could say "let's ocean it". Ocean as a verb makes as much sense as the verb google.

    [–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 10 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    I've heard people referring to the internal search function of a program as "google".

    One time someone wanted to use "find and replace" in VsCode and he just said "I google the word and replace it".

    [–] elaina@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

    Oh god that would trigger me so much XD

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    [–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

    This is much more when when using ducksuckg. "I duck the word and replace it" "I'll just duck the answer"

    [–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 17 hours ago

    Suck my duck! quack!

    [–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 7 points 19 hours ago

    your anecdote is making me irrationally angry

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    [–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 11 points 1 day ago

    I've taken to calling it 'The internet App' when talking to none techy people.

    The real annoying one is getting people to find the "Start" button on Windows realizing it hasn't be branded that since XP.

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    [–] TheGingerNut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    Actually most firefox users don't know its open source. I was baffled for years about its inclusion in ubuntu and fedora by default. I even specifically went out of my way to find "open source version of firefox". This is how I discovered it was open source. This was after using gentoo for several years.

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    [–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    The most intelligent people aren't those with the greatest amount of knowledge but rather they're the people that are capable of patiently breaking down concepts for their fellow human beings to understand.

    [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

    Experience has taught me that Intelligence and Wisdom are very different things, and whilst the former can help get the latter faster, having lots of the former in no way form or shape guarantees any of the latter or even that one will get any of it.

    I would even say that there's a level of high intelligence but not high enough (I mentally call them "Entry Level Geniouses") that leads people who think they're so much better than everybody else whilst not being intelligent enough to figure out the limits in capability and breath of use of intelligence alone, so they never figure out the whole "All I know is that I know nothing" and don't really start walking down the path to Wisdom. Elon Musk is probably a good example.

    [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 188 points 1 day ago (15 children)

    I remember being on Reddit some time ago, and in the comments somebody mentioned Linux. The next comment was "What's Linux?"

    I try to keep that post in mind whenever I think anything is common knowledge.

    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    The next comment was β€œWhat’s Linux?”

    In fairness, there's a 70% chance this comment was posted by a bot that was, itself, being hosted on a Linux server.

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    [–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    oh no. this tool is too good.

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    [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    If any techy Americans want to see how bad it is, ask random people throughout your day what operating system their computer runs, and discover how many don't know what am operation system is.

    [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 64 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I know this change probably happened gradually over the course of time, but it’s truly shocking to me how many people my age can’t do shit on a computer.

    I’m in my mid 40s.

    Like, this was understandable when I was a kid doing computer stuff and wowing all the adults - the PC was brand new. But people who are my age NOW grew up with this stuff all around them! Like, you didn’t know how to CLICK? You were born in 1983 what the fuck, Carol!

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    YEP.

    I used to work in a library computer lab. It was soul sucking, how many people older than millennials couldn't friggin handle a basic computer. I heard the words "I clicked the 'E' for 'internet'." multiple times A DAY. (Thanks, 1990's Microsoft and No Child Left Behind.)

    "CaNt I jUsT uSe My PhOnE?" (Which would be a million more steps on my part...thanks, 2006 apple, and defunding schools.)

    The biggest ragebait for me was "I dOn'T kNoW cOmPuTeRs, I'm oLd ScHoOL."

    I'm like "PCs have been increasingly commonplace since the mid-1980's. It's currently the 2020's. You're like 56. HOW 'OLD' IS YOUR SCHOOL?! Because somehow you drove a car here!"

    I imagine a certain weird kind of "privilege", to have been able to somehow dodge computers and learning this entire time, when they were so often found in homes, schools, and workplaces.

    Like it takes significant effort to somehow avoid even an accidental education. HOW?!

    It's...infuriating. These rubes can gleefully scroll tiktok and dump all their personal lives into Facebook, but freak out about sending an email.

    Many of them were even around to try the Internet during Eternal September and AOL, and now they've exchanged the squishy fat in their skulls for convenient slop.

    I'd bend over backwards to patiently teach, but few cared to learn.

    Their collective, willful ignorance is why we're fighting a constant uphill battle against attempts to turn the entirety of computing into nothing but a commercialized authoritarian hellscape.

    I left that job because if I heard one more "Kids are born so smart with these computers because my (grand)kids can watch their cocomelons all by themselves." I would've snapped and been booked for assault.

    Lol /rant

    ...clearly this is a button for me...I have sought help in the past...

    [–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

    Learnt helplessness has become a real thing around the world.

    I know a lot of people who could normally wrap their head around basic computing and troubleshooting in the 2000s, who now go into a near panic attack if the apps on their iPhone suddenly look different...

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    [–] Strider@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Only Linux? ONLY Linux?

    It's the Gnu/Linux ecosystem with a shit load of software.

    (yeah which the average person has no idea about, proving the point in the comic 😁)

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    [–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 1 day ago (23 children)

    Is the average person unaware of Linux and Firefox?!

    [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 151 points 1 day ago (28 children)

    Yes? The number of people I met in college that doesn't even heard about firefox was surprising.

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    [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 7 points 23 hours ago

    People should stop being condescending at all and regardless what it's about.

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