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[–] imhungry@leminal.space 13 points 19 hours ago

Go China Go!

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

This is not bad at all. Go for it 😍

I thought it would take yeeeeeaaaars to build new factories. That's what they were saying when it started.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

Another leg up for the Chinese from the American AI bubble! Think how long it would have taken to penetrate the memory market if there wasn’t an artificial shortage.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"Is for me? πŸ‘‰πŸ‘ˆ"
~ AI

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

"UwU is all that wam for wittle old me?"

~ AI probably

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The West is its own enemy. Not only are our oligarchs against us, they are dimwitted and don’t plan ahead for anything but earnings reports.

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Runaway Capitalism western civilization started at the end of the Vietnam War in America. The MIC went private and every motivation was for Wall Street means and shareholders, etc. Who were the ones that created the biggest demands of the drug trade and America made a new war for itself against itself to feed itself. The War on Drugs.

Now we are nearing the collapse. Trump is the cumulative representation of America. America is Trump. MIT predicted this civilization's decline at around 2040. And it looks like that should be the approximate set date for WW3 also given the current trends and shift in global super powers.

[–] wookiepedia@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

THIS QUARTER'S earnings reports. sigh

[–] BigJohnnyHines@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

Unregulated capitalism (and probably all power systems) self-selects for mental illness. Not only do they not plan for long-term, the people running a lot of these companies are not capable of it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago

It's telling that if someone powerful like a politician actually does their job, they're hailed by the general public as a hero.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 116 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I sincerely hope this fucks up the market. I hope all the other manufacturers get fucked right up their greedy fucking asses.

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

With an unlubricated horse cock

[–] DigitalPirate@lemmus.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Mr Hands, please save us!

Use lube, or find another phallic object. That poor horse deserved better.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Say, are you an engineer at Boeing in Washington?

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[–] eletes@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago

Obviously this is good for RAM prices but does the NAND part affect SSD prices as well?

I'd skip spinning platters if I could get 4 TB of SSD for vheapt

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why aren't data centers buying up all this RAM too?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm guessing because China isn't producing the type of RAM they want. Put it this way, when the AI bubble bursts we aren't going to have a load of RAM and GPUs suddenly available, because the AI data centre versions aren't in a format that's useful in consumer tech, or even all the data centre systems. They are optimised towards AI workloads and don't really work in normal computer systems. Equally that means that if the RAM that's been produced isn't in this AI workload optimised format, then the data centres can't use it.

The crime isn't that the AI data centres were using a lot of the RAM, it was that the manufacturers were letting them by producing all their RAM in the required format.

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

but surely there are ppl out there smart enough to make it work somehow?

after all we can play Doom on just about any device

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

Without actually ripping chips off boards, you would be stuck with a pizza oven sized computer that sounds like a jet engine, uses more electricity than that pizza oven would, and doesn't have a video-out port on the GPU. They really are tailored to a particular kind of use case and unless you are running your own ai models or /maybe/ something like crypto mining, its going to be pretty useless.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 23 hours ago

I'm sure they could be made to work. But why would they when they've got the likes of Nvidia producing all the chips they could ever want.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Even if they were made to work, they may still be bad in price / perf and not worth using simply due to being manufactured for a completely different purpose.

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 1 points 23 hours ago

when the bubble pops there will be loads of these (assuming they haven't all been cocktailed).
prob buy em for pennies on the dollar.
bet in 10 yrs time someone could figure out how to run them on a quarter the energy usage.

one can hope, to up cycle this fucking stain on humanity

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Ehh HBM3 memory is definitey very useful in consumer GPUs. I have a prosumer one with HBM2 and it helps. The bandwidth is several times that of GDDRX!

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Except maybe in America if MAGA dreams up some tariffs because Freedom (Chinese EVs have entered the chat).

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Communist EVs are made with stolen organs and enslaved lithium and fingernails pried from the hands of good Christian missionaries.

If you even look at a Chinese EV you are committing genocide.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah but I'm doing it for FREEDOMβ„’ so it doesn't count!

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 207 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (17 children)

The Chinese AI labs are really trying to pop the bubble, too.

How?

Well lemme ask you this. What if models 80-90% as good as Claude, with weights just thrown out there for any provider (or homelab) to host, flood the market? What if they're so dirt cheap to run, they're almost free, and don't even need Nvidia GPUs? What they need fewer resources to run with each update, instead of more?

...What if this already happened, and Big Tech is maddly lobbying to ban/censor them before people realize it, and that the "infinite scaling" thing is a big fat lie?

That's the state of things.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It turns out that off-shoring your economy to a political rival is a really dumb thing for a capitalist to do.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but also necessary and that's the beautiful contradiction of capitalism that will cause it's inevitable downfall

"the capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with"

(Exact source unkown)

Or:

"Just keep making and selling them more rope, eventually they'll hang themselves with it."

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But, but, this quarter profits.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

off-shoring your economy to a political rival

If you offshore your economy, what prevents the recipient from becoming a rival?

We've offshored to all the BRICS countries and they've all become our rivals was a result

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

Well a funny thing about off-shoring your economy is that it really just means exploiting people in countries that can't stand up to your imperial might. So it inevitably creates enemies. Now you have no economy at home AND the rest of the world hates you! Double stupidity!

[–] zeroConnection@programming.dev 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Yep, the Chinese models are already up 10 times cheaper and now that Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, all are increasing prices up to 10 more for models like Opus, it will make Chinese models anywhere from 50 to 100 times cheaper.

American corps. are betting that since people have their workflow already established they won't switch to other providers, but that's not the case. There's already a mass move to Chinese models.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Assuming we'd let China sell chips in the US. Gotta block competition and keep prices high.

[–] Tolos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The screenshots appear to reveal details about a 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-6000 module featuring CXMT memory chips.

It's not like they're selling chips to consumers. Memory providers will be using the parts. Not saying it won't be import controlled. But seems less likely.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 213 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Please, please bring the world back to sanity. I was like, literally saving up to expand my homelab when my main server went down and have been utterly slapped by prices.

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[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 75 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

But think about Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron shareholders

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 78 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I do think of them.

Guillotine

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Damn you Mr Xi

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