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零 isn't too bad as far as chinese characters are concerned. you should see the character for depression. or the biang biang noodles character, although that one is kind of a meme

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (5 children)

Japanese isn’t much better:

一、二、三… 四。

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)
[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Congrats on being the smart one in this thread. 😞

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[–] f314@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago

It’s the same as in Chinese, so I wouldn’t expect it to be 😅

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

In Spanish it's 1,2,3 and 0.

[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The fourth character he wrote means 4, not 0, though.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 hours ago

And then the other person doesn’t even tell us what 0 would be. So much disappointment in this thread.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Technically, I think that's Arabic

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No, I've studied Arabic and it's actually ١,٢,٣ and ٠.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

Wait. I’ve played a lot of Fatal Frame, and they only signify the Zero Lens by its kanji, and it’s not that square shape. So now I’m confused…

Maybe its ghost folklore origins put it more on the Chinese side?

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

That’s because 四 is 4

In Japanese they also use 零 (rei) for zero. Or 〇 (maru) or ゼロ (zero)

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[–] lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago

Binary calculations must be a nightmare for some

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So basically = 0 and the long = Null?

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 8 hours ago
[–] karashta@piefed.social 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I see a little person jumping up and spinning in midair to make an egg shape like a zero

[–] imjustmsk@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago
[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

or 〇, if you prefer

[–] JelleWho@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Fun fact, for a long time in history minus (-1) did not exist

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Mathematics for much of human history was discrete - it had to be connected to something tangible which you can see, touch or feel. Negative numbers first arose in China, subsequently the use numerical operations on negative numbers and the conceptualization and use of zero arose in India. Spiritual concepts within dharmic philosophies such as Buddhism helped lead to these ideas.

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago

Zero is also a relatively new invention

[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 4 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

In the history of mathematics, -1 was understood waaaay before 0.

For the Greeks, doing 1-1 would be invalid, something close to dividing by zero for us.

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[–] Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 5 points 13 hours ago

I saw a video years ago where somebody was talking (with a translator) to a tribe, I forget where. He asked how do they count. They would point with one hand to the other hand. Once they've got to five they start pointing to other parts of the arm moving upwards. He then asked what if you need to count higher. They looked confused, why would they need to count higher.

For them they could exist without needing to count beyond teens.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Interesting pop science read though I would contend that the Babylonians did not invent zero, they used it as a placeholder in their base 60 number system. They did not use it in numerical operations or ended numbers with it.

I would argue the Hindus/Buddhists or India at a time contributed a lot more than "worshipping" it, whatever that means in this context. The currently ubiquitous decimal place value system, which was developed there, was based on the foundation of zero being a unique entity upon which numerical operations could be performed - much more than a placeholder.

Broadly, Western thought in the age of antiquity saw the idea of zero as representative of void or nothingness which was not seen in a positive light philosophically so it was to be avoided. Eastern thought came to see zero as potential ie. an empty canvas, or detachment that could lead to liberation. This more positive framing, which was rooted in Eastern spirituality, opened the door to further exploration and development of the concept.

When we think about the transmission of the number system we use today (including zero) from east to west we can draw a fairly straight line from Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Al-Khwarizmi, Piero della Francesca, to Leonardo Da Vinci and onward.

[–] kronarbob@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Zero seems to be someone very upset... Is it mad at me ? Or, maybe, am I the 0 ?

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