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Between this, the tarrifs and the brain drain, why would any manufacturers consider operating in the US anymore?
They'll still want access to Americans coz there are profits to be had, and they can price gouge under a fascist kleptocracy many orders of magnitude harder than elsewhere.
What they don't understand is that the fascist leadership will backstab many/most of them eventually, especially if they possess any moral fiber whatsoever. Luckily for them, capitalism has already purged corporate leadership of morality and ethics.
But if we don't have as much money due to increased prices on life essentials and assistance cuts, how are we supposed to buy all these things? Bad logic on their part, if this is their approach.
There is no bottom. They'll continue crushing the working class all the way to slavery and feudalism.
Stop expecting logic. MAGA and fascism is a severely psychotic mental illness that is empirically a dead end. A death cult.
There's no real push for that to happen. This is about crashing an economy, stealing wealth and creating a a massive almost slave labor class at the bottom.
Ah yes let's try to stifle Chinese innovation by ... checks notes ... expanding our surveillance state. Usually we are the ones calling China a surveillance state, but it's fine(it's not) once we do it.
There is nothing more American than hipocracy my friend
Yeah. All the FUD about Huawei really solidified in my mind how stupid the average internet user is these days.
It's like, everything they were bitching about has already been confirmed to be happening with US companies thanks to PRISM and the Snowden leaks.
You joke, but western governments regularly pull the "our surveillance is good because we aren't an authoritarian regime" trope.
Oh Senator Know-Nothing....
What are you going to do about firewalls and air-gapped networks? JFK you stupid asshole... GTFO
Next up GPUs require always-on connections and Nvidia requires a monthly subscription to pay for that.
For just $19.99 a month you can have us track your GPU*, or choose the premium ad-free upgrade for just $149.99 a months, so you can enjoy your favorite games without ad breakes.
^^^* ^^^failure ^^^to ^^^comply ^^^will ^^^be ^^^punished ^^^by ^^^deportation
This is absolutely insane and no one will want to buy those GPUs.
Unless, of course, they're in all the GPUs that people want.
...It's unfortunately more likely that the majority of people won't notice or care, though.
Yeah if you think most people are going to care or even know about this, you haven't been paying attention to the last 20 years.
Why would they make their own products illegal in Europe?
...okay, so invest in Chinese GPU companies? Invest in Chinese GPU companies.
I looked into those recently, actually expected the GPUs to be a lot farther behind than they are. The things that are really pushing them back are the drivers and the outdated process node, but there are already GPUs comparable to the lower end current generation cards from the 3 big manufacturers on paper (and even those have 16GB of VRAM, Nvidia 😤).
The first and central provision of the bill is the requirement for tracking technology to be embedded in any high-end processor module or device that falls under the U.S. export restrictions.
As a coder with some hardware awareness, I find the concept laughable.
How does he think they (read: the Taiwanese, if they are willing to) would go about doing it?
Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D
The poor politician needs a technically competent advisor forced on him. To make him aware (preferably in the most blunt way) of real possibilities in the real world.
In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it's running and you can't add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.
Taiwanese
AMD & Nvidia are American companies, for better or worse. The Taiwanese just make the chips, they don't actually decide what they look like...
Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D
if it's possible, which I agree with you, is highly unlikely, i'd assume it'd be something like html canvas fingerprinting. Rather than adding more stuff to the gpu, the gpu could be made to generate a specific fingerprint. I recon it'd be a very easy task for the hardware vendors.
Heck, there might be other ways we don't even know yet, kinda like the glowy ethernet port. I could see that working very easily in conjunction to the GPU.
In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it's running and you can't add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.
please read up on intel management engine and amd's equivelent. That shit runs on your system in ring minus 3. Oh yeah, ARM also has something similar.
China is also making it's own x86 cpus, but I bet they're laced with more spyware than the above.
You honestly have virtually 0 other cpu options. Everything is bugged... Who would you buy from in this case? It's virtually unavoidable :/
How is this even legal? I am not even american nor living there, so how would the US be allowed to operate massive and unregulated surveillance through GPUs ?
The US is becoming worse than those they call villain.
The US has very low engagement of its voters, so even things that are illegal are starting to happen regularly.
It's the same as so many countries, once a few rich guys get into power, as long as the guys with guns will take their money, it doesn't really matter what want, the government gets captured and corrupted.
There's ways to fight it but it's a slog. I might give up. It's not my job to fix it, fixing things doesn't pay.
If you're in Europe I'm pretty sure those chips would violate the hell out of the GDPR and as such can't be sold there.
Even then, as posted in a different too level comment, this is just too easy to fake, or block.
It's an idiot law for idiots
Yeah that is fun and all but I can at least guarantee you that that shit won't fly in Europe, and likely neither in Canada. I can only imagine other countries will be penning their own laws outlawing this.
So tech giants then have the option to either go for separate chipsets for those countries or stip selling there.
Also, how do you want to implement this? Have the GPU request GPS data from the computer? That won't be hard to forgr., but let's say you ge that, then what?
You need to send that info somewhere or it'll be useless. How? Over the Internet? Ahw, my firewall told you to go fuck yourself. Over its own GPS line? A little bit of aluminum foil can do miracles.
So what are you going to do then? Require an active internet connection for your GPU to work? Bwhahahahha. Have you seen gamers responses to games that require active internet connections to play? You won't sell shit.
This is again a law designed by absolutely.emoty headed idiots tompleae some other empty headed idiots.
Why do gpus need geo tracking? They're usually pretty stationary right?
It's about not letting them be used in China, and any other future enemy countries.
Because China supposedly used Nvidia cards to train DeepSeek, which blew all of the US AI out of the water. And apparently that raised some eyebrows, because Nvidia wasn’t supposed to be selling to China (free market, right?). Since China was eating big tech’s lunch, they cried to republicans (and gave them a bunch of reelection money) and now we have this bill. The point is to be able to remotely disable cards if they’re outside of their sale region.
Such a well-conceived feature could never possibly be abused for unintended purposes.
Adversaries who are being treated to lower tarriffs than allies.
Cooked country.
I can't imagine this would be effective at all. Assuming it uses GPS, big datacenters could simply spoof the GPS signal, and consumers could block the GPU from receiving the signal (a fully metal PC case is almost a Faraday cage already).
Senator Tom Cotton's legislation seeks to "prevent advanced ~~American~~ TAIWANESE chips from falling into the hands of adversaries like Communist China."
FTFY
People will just make custom firmware and drivers.
It would be wonderful if this pushes develpment of noveau drivers. But i don't get my hopes up...
Finally my Intel stock will rise. This will definitely force Nvidia GPU to be manufactured in the US with always on DRM.
Bruh... Literally 1984
Capitalism is a system of whores. And there's nothing wrong with whores, but a whore is a whore. Good luck. It's going to be like trying to hold a bar of soap that's slipping out of your hands. You can keep grabbing at it, but it's just going to keep slipping. I just recall when America leaked nuclear secrets because soldiers were using a private private flashcard program and they forgot to check mark the box that said private. And so they ended up leaking all these secrets all over the internet. And let's not forget. The open source information that was used from some snot-nosed person on an osint account on twitter for targeting a supposed underground base, that cost the lives of innocent civilians via the Palantir and Peter Thiel's stupid AI. They did not get an underground base. They just wasted millions of dollars on something that wasn't there.
It's like their plans are dystopic and terrifying, but they're not going to be able to implement them in a way that's worth a damn. And also, their actual product that they produce is so stupid that it's even more terrifying than the original idea. It's just straight up fucking madness. It's like, look mom, no hands. Then you fall off the goddamn bike and you're sitting there crying.
This still remains. There is so much corruption and greed in this country that we can't even function as an empire. We can't even get a chip's factory figured out. We don't make shit. Everybody in this country is so goddamn lazy and stupid. I can't even find a noble cause because I feel like I'm just enabling stupid people. I'm sure we just operate off of bare necessities. Like the need to just stay alive one more day. But it gets to the point where it's like, what's the fucking point? This country is nonsensical. It's absurd. It's laughable. It's weak. It's limp dicked. And this happened way before Joe Biden or Trump. This has been a continuation ever since I've been alive for 40 fucking dumb ass years.
What the fuck is your metaphor with whores all about??
Yeah right, a couple of my good friends used to be sex workers so
but a whore is a whore
just seems ignorant and misogynist to me.
And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.
Sure, but now a new company selling Geo tracking shit for GPUs is making billions per year. Problem solved!
How would that even work? But aside from that, I should probably upgrade my GPU before this goes into effect, even if the GPU I want will probably not be affected.
I'd back up as many versions of the drivers as well (different oses, different releases). I feel like this will be implemented drm style with forced network connections baked in the drivers
