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Microsoft is letting you kill Bing in Windows 11 Search, after years of forcing it on every PC (www.windowslatest.com)

submitted 4 days ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 75 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I assume they're replacing it with ~~Autopilot~~ ~~Scout~~ TotallyNotAIGuysISwearThisTime.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

and I'm sure it won't turn itself back on anyway every software update... with 15 promtps "hey are you really sure you don't want to use this, we've improved it, why don't you try it again before you disable it again".

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Your choices: (Yes, use Copilot) (Remind me later)

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago

Translation: Microsoft broke something and can’t figure out how to fix it so will now let you turn it off.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 41 points 4 days ago

Only to be replaced by Copilot.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

People still use Windows? Like voluntarily?

[–] Robaque@feddit.it 43 points 4 days ago

"Voluntarily" is a strong word

[+] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com -10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Gamers do, because game devs suck up to Microsoft by not putting PC games on Linux or macOS. Sadly, even "indie" devs.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

99,9% of all games I "own", I can play on Linux just fine. Except fucknuggets like destiny2, which you technically could play if only bungie allowed it. Might look slightly different if you only play multiplayer, I dunno. Those with aggressive root - kits anti-cheat maybe.

Actually I even game better now. Before I made a tool just to be able to pause a game at any time, which worked like 50% of the time, sometimes fucking all up. On Linux it's a small script with 100% success. To me, a major improvement.

I still have a windows drive for "emergencies" when a game won't run. Haven't booted it since I switched in January. And I game like 4-8hrs a day (with breaks) with different games all day.

Thanks to steam's efforts, Linux gaming is absolutely viable. All is fine, performance, HDR, sound, input...nothing is worse now.

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol I switched to cachyos also about 4 months ago and I completely agree with you.

My only game that doesn't work is Battlefield 6 and it's just because their anticheat doesn't authenticate linux environment. They could but explicitly said that would permit linux cheaters to ruin the game. Well too bad, I lost one game and gain a lot of freedom and "sovereignty" over my operating system. I also have a dusty windows partition that I dread having to boot after 4 months. I'd rather not imagine the state of that W10 outdated partition :/

I also think I game better on cachyos mostly because I have more free RAM and less background stuff running I don't need while I'm playing.

The only thing I don't really agree with you is HDR. I kind of gave up for now on tweaking games to support it. On some games I never could make it work even with a lot of tweaking (gamescope etc). On some other games I made the effort but just couldn't see the difference so it seemed not worth it. On Windows I had nothing at all to do to get 100% functional HDR on all games.

Still very very happy to be gaming on linux and the fact that I play even more on linux than I did on Windows shows how practical it is.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe it got better much? Not even tweaking a lot. Just protonge34 and it works, not even using gamescope. Only thing not working (yet) with HDR is mangohud. But that's ok.

Give it another shot?

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe it's because we don't use the same variant of Proton ?

My default is proton-cachyos and I usually use GE when I have issues.

Honestly I'm not really willing to use GE as a default. Proton-cachyos is, if I understand correctly, a proton version optimized specifically for my OS and is pretty much based on similar proton-experimental upstream.

For now HDR support is not really worth switching things up for me. Even on Windows honestly I didn't see a difference on my pretty high end OLED ultrawide monitor.

I will try again later but for now if it doesn't work fine with my DE or my proton version of choice I don't think it's really worth the complexification.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 days ago

Not worth it? For me it was literally the most important thing after swtichjng. Get that shit to work. It's hard to go back. Like from 4k to VHS.

But highly possible it now also works great with proton-cachyos. I tried A LOT and probably lost oversight lol. But definitely works. On plasma/Wayland that is. But who cares if it's not that big of a deal for you 😁

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I game almost every single day, and haven't booted Windows in years. In the last 3 years I haven't actually had any game I wanted to play not be able to run in Linux. I've had one that crashed non-stop, but judging by the thousands of complaints from Windows users about the same thing that wasn't a Linux problem.

So yeah, gaming is no excuse, you can game just fine under Linux as long as the devs don't intentionally block Linux like what happened with Destiny 2 (which Bungie just summarily executed so they can dump more cash into the trash fire that is Marathon, RIP Bungie I await the bankruptcy announcement).

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

True. That's the only thing I really miss, but now it's dead anyway so that's that...

But gaming indeed WAS the excuse. I game a lot and would never want to boot back and forth. So I was stuck with fucking windows until I gave Linux another try for my main rig. Should've done it earlier 😁

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ray tracing on linux has horrible performance.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

So is VR. Linux gaming is mostly on par but it still has its issues.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I found it horrible on win too. Eats too much performance. I prefer 120fps over fancy RT. So couldn't even say if it was worse or not.

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For those of us who can run it, linux is an objective downgrade unfortunately.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 days ago

That sucks though, for now at least.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The interface for getting it set up is still worse if you're not using Steam. But I agree it is way way way more viable than it was even 3 years ago.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For the others are other launchers like..I forgot, I only have crap on gog and epic anyway 😁

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Heroic Launcher is pretty good. It can sync GoG cloud saves and launch games with Proton-GE or any wine environment you prefer. Cyberpunk 77 runs great.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah I've tried it, just because, and it felt like playnite on win, just faster 😁 But so far, I have nothing on gog or epic that I wouldn't have in steam, also. But glad to have options for sure.

The day of steam's downfall might come.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 1 points 3 days ago

But glad to have options for sure.

Amen to that.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why would I need to have a 3rd party "launcher"?

Thats like saying I have 5o have an app store to get software

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

You wouldn't NEED one. But why would you want to browse different libraries of games manually and install "by hand" if there's some simple launcher? Like steam, gog galaxy or playnite for win. Doesn't mean you couldn't. I also install a lot of cracked games to playtest. With mods and cheatengine and whatnot. Don't even notice it's not windows.

BTW: On your phone you don't even have a choice anymore other than ONE "launcher". So...choice is good 😊

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I'm admittedly in a bit of a bubble, but right now my PC gamer friends are a pretty even split between windows and Linux. Know anyone with a steam deck? They're gaming on Linux.

No, it's not quite as user-friendly as windows, and it takes a couple extra steps to get things running, especially if you're playing non-steam games, but that's one-time setup stuff then you're golden. Most games are able to run fine on Linux these days, by some measures more PC games may actually work on Linux than in Windows because sometimes new versions of Windows have broken compatibility issues with older games.

There's edge-cases to be sure, like some stuff with kernel-level anticheat have issues, but the state of that constantly improving, even the game devs are improving Linux support from their end in a lot of cases.

Anecdotally, I've had some cases where games are even running better for me on Linux than they did on Windows. Part of that is that most of the main components of my computer are pushing 15 years old, but I think that alone is a pretty big endorsement for Linux gaming that in some cases it can keep your rig relevant for longer.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

as a fresh linux convert all of my games work on linux thanks to steam. it even runs my ancient 2007 arcade-esque game that i was sent in an email from the dev better than windows used to

valve has put in the work for us, and now no gamer can use that as an excuse

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

First thing I did on my w11 rigs was regedit to disable web search. Dumbest thing they did on w11 imo and ruined the start menu. Fucking thing would look up web searches for "documents" before even thinking about showing me my documents folder, if I wanted to web search what document means I would have opened my fucking browser!

[–] TotallyWorthLife@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Too late to fix the shitass OS, I'm already on Linux Mint lol

[–] rodneylives@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Too late.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I guess they have to entice people to use Win 11 somehow

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Just having it toggle with a prefix like how COSMIC launcher does would be the best option imo.

[–] Sexy-Animal-Fucker@thebrainbin.org 2 points 4 days ago

They'll probably still make it break something after removing it and then be like "Oh tHis prObLEm CAn bE fiXEd bY iNStaLLinG biNG"

[–] turbodad@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

I can't wait. Forced to work on windows this bing stnuts thing popping open when I press return too fast is fing annoying as hell.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

Bing search? I got nothing like that on Bazzite smh

[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

But you've always been able to turn it off...

One of the first things I do to a new computer/reinstall.

Maybe it was from regedit, not sure, but still possible.