Technology

Im not going to bully you to prove the fact that bullying works. You do that well enough on your own.

My original comment was meant as a somewhat dark joke ("no one would want to see that anyway" being the subtext)

Oh good, now you're taking it serious. It was clear that you thought you were being funny since you're a man why would anyone want to see that anyways? Because you felt like this could never happen to you, no one would ever want to do this so "lol I consent". You've put so little thought in the implications of this technology that it's still funny. You didn't want this to be a debate, but no one else wanted that either. No one even thought to make jokes. Everyone who down voted you wanted you to read the fucking room and realize this isn't the time to be crass.

Second, I don't think framing someone for sexual abuse of a minor is in the same category as fake nudes. No one is going to prison (under current laws) for possessing nude pictures as long as both parties are in the same age cohort from a legal perspective. That's a pretty significant distinction in my opinion.

These are all things that have already happened.

https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-board-education-ai-deepfakes-north-polk-hearing/71293412

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/teachers-traumatized-by-student-s-deepfake-sex-videos-tell-court-about-continued-harm-and-suffering/ar-AA255hZt

And these are from cases where victims were able to successfully prove to law enforcement that the videos were fake. We don't know how many people were targeted by deep fakes and no one ever believed them. How many men and women were fired because management had to err on the side of caution? How many relationships destroyed?

And even if you WERE right that my example is different, why does that give you the right to mock the harm inflicted upon women and girls who are more regularly the primary target of such harassment?

Third, I don't believe I said or implied that fake images cannot cause harm. I said on more than one occasion that you can only control your reaction to them.

Don't downplay. You literally said it would only be annoying to explain something is fake.

The fact that they were created and distributed without your consent sucks, but what are you going to do about that after the fact? I'm a very utilitarian person and I see no utility in feeling sorry for myself so that's not a behavior I generally engage in. Other people probably feel differently about that and that's fine. I might seem cold to them and they might seem whiny to me. Different strokes.

Whiny? That's not utilitarianism, it's willful cruelty. Whether or not you feel like a victim is immaterial to the real world effects that such media would have on your life. If someone did all the things I previously listed and you lost your job/wife/friends, how would you feel if someone came by to say stop acting like a victim and you" seem whiny"?

I'm honestly shocked that even now, even after you stopped making jokes, you would still use that word.

don't know that I think deep fakes are any more or less damaging than the other forms of that behavior that have historically been common.

A difference of scale is a difference of kind. Saying "x did y" is one thing, children believe these things and that's why bullying is so pervaisive in schools. But spending an afternoon making a series of of x literally doing y that are so realistic even skeptical adults have trouble differentiate between reality is something else entirely. There are literally drag and drop apps for this, even the tech illiterate can start this harassment easily. How many girls do you think now have a reputation for being a "slut" despite being virgins? These are long standing problems of sexism, but deep fake is a radical escalation.

Sir, based off your pic, you are somewhere in your 40s? That's pretty old to be acting this willfully obtuse. I and others linked you to stories of schools being attacked by this behavior, but you doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on big laughs. Just because you feel immune to that sort of sexual abuse (incorrectly), doesn't give you the right to come have a laugh at the expense of victims.

You acted exceptionally cruel in this thread. It's something you should think on moving forward. Most people don't enjoy making jokes at the expense of the abused. No one but you decided to make jokes here.