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[–] whereitsat@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

i remember the great plastic transition of 1995. on the trek though GRAND UNION to buy macaroni salad ingredients and store brand chips, i asked my mom why there were so many plastic bottles, and she replied 'we're like pioneers' and she referenced little house on the prairie, and i still didn't understand what she was getting at, so she slapped some sense into me right in aisle 13 and i pretended i understood so she'd leave me alone for five minutes.

a few weeks ago my MD said that i have colon cancer and i assume that's from pounding cases of fruitopia when it was in vogue but who am i gonna sue? is big plastic a thing?

i tried to tell my mom it was her fault but when i tried to call all i heard was a dial tone. i thought that was weird at the time because cell-phones don't have dial tones but my therapist said i was hallucinating; she still won't prescribe me xanax.

[–] bloogoose@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The irony of this post using McDonald's cups isn't lost on me. Where does their meat come from I wonder...

[–] Aarkon@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 9 hours ago

Fair point. IIRC though the primary reason for banning plastic straws was not CO2 emissions but wildlife protection, as plastic straws are (or were) the single most frequently found foreign object in the stomachs of dead sea turtles.

[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I can’t remember the last time I used either of those. Real glasses and cups exist, and don’t require straws.

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Restaurants don't allow you to bring your own glasses in though

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 29 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'll take a PLA cup over a paper cup lined with PFAS, BPA, etc.

There should really be a law that people should be able to bring their own reusable drink cup for any drink.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

But then they might get extra drink! Unconscionable!

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

if people knew just how little the typical fountain drink cost, cups and straws included, they would riot over the costs.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I went to a fancy restaurant recently, the kind that charges $15 for a side salad and $30 for a plate of noodles, and the straw that broke the camels back for me was that she charged me $3 for every refill of the 12 oz of soda they give you.

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 points 46 minutes ago

I went to a diner recently and they had posted signs that they are going to start charging for refills after the 2nd one

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

charged refills of fountain drinks is just pure exploitative robbery.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah like this is supposed to be an upscale restaurant but they’re acting like a beggar on the street. They even had the gall to charge the customer for the 3% credit card fee. I’m supposed to spend $70 a head but they can’t afford a $3 fee for the table. Unforgivable lol

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I think larger merchants can negotiate lower swipe rates, but even 3% means they are getting more from the charge than the transaction costs them.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

It's essentially banned in Vegas because cocktail waitstaff would riot.

[–] tjhrulz@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't know if it's still true but years ago basically the cost for the cup and straw for the business was greater than the cost of the drink itself.

So if anything bringing my own container would save them a good chunk of the cost of a fountain drink.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

yeah, last time i checked the cost of the water, syrup, cup and straw were like..20 cents (this is with their economy of scale, bulk buying, etc etc), for a big 64 ounce drink. admitted that was before trump ruined the economy, but i doubt they are still not making absolute bank on fountain sales.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago

But the branding!

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

I have seen the amount of organizing a peaceful protest takes. I have seen how much the police charge to riot. Americans would never.

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[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 16 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

There needs to just be a blanket, punitive, 100+% tax on any and all single use plastics that are not medical devices. Obviously there's lots of other bigger environmental issues that need to be tackled but this really seems like a pretty obvious one imo.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

They'll just pass all the additional costs (plus a little extra profit because why not) onto the consumer

[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

If so, then okay. The idea is that single use plastic is used because plastic is so damn cheap. From what I understand, the precursor is basically a waste product from oil extraction. But add a small tax and it breaks the model.

A single cheap fork is less than US$0.01 on a commercial restaurant website. For many restaurants, that is easier to deal with than washing dishes. But let's tack on a $0.05 tax per single use item or $0.50 single use tax. Pass it directly on to the customer on the check.

That puts single use more on an equal footing with restaurants that are reusing dishes. Single use plastic doesn't have its true cost built in. A tax can do that in a transparent way.

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 1 points 3 hours ago

The point is to increase the cost of the plastics to the point that alternatives start to actually be competitive. And really, we're just making them actually pay for some of the externalities they're getting a free ride on.

If you use government to increase the cost of a thing to the point alternatives become cheaper, most businesses are going to switch. They aren't sticking with plastics out of ideology or anything... it's just cheap. And it shouldn't be.

[–] Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

Literally happened in the netherlands

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[–] SaintNyx@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Ppl have been mentioning the plastic in the paper cups but I haven't seen anyone mention that large cups used to all be Styrofoam. Some places all the cups were Styrofoam. And that was god awful for the environment. They were amazing though. Getting a giant sweet tea in a cup that never sweated was phenomenal. Shame they suck so bad.

[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I remember biting the rim of a Styrofoam cup and leaving imprints of my teeth

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

Paper cups used to be lined in wax. Plastic is technically unnecessary.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 11 hours ago

I use a metal, glass lined, vacuum insulated cup. Awesome, doesn't sweat, is reusable and recyclable. I've used it for about 8 years now, the 25 euros have been well spent.

[–] weirdcarrotmonster@sh.itjust.works 104 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

There is actually a bit of sense in there. Paper cups weren't simply paper - its tetrapak-like material with plastic coating inside. They are notoriously hard to recycle. Plain plastic cups on the other hand are made from single material, most likely PET. Moreover, they are transparent, without colouring additives.

There are two reasons why colour in plastic makes it harder to recycle. First, pigment is a completely different substance, which behaves differently from plastic itself. It makes it harder to "re-melt" into stable material. If you ever 3d printed anything with matte/gloss filament, you'll know that it is more finicky than plain one. Second, uncoloured plastic can be coloured into anything, while other needs to be either sorted by colour or mixed with strong dye (black, gray, dark brown, etc) to have consistent colour.

PET itself is pretty easy to turn into something new, actually. A workshop near me had a live demo of the whole process - chipping it into small pieces, feeding to the heated tube, and then injection molded into trinkets. Industrial grade processing usually have "turned into pellets" step in between, but it's basically the same.

Plastic-covered paper, on the other hand, should be somehow separated first, and then handled with two different approaches - one for paper, another one for plastic film. Doable, but much harder. Paper straw can probably decompose by itself, without any special conditions.

UPD: Be wary that recycling is not a panacea. There's multiple videos about how recycling plastic isn't actually a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zjxTTl5Ik for example.

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