Cant they just sell them as Volvos?
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This is proof that you should never bend the knee or try to appease that facist state. Polestar moved production to the US and still got banned. They don't believe in non-zero sum economics, you will always be the loser even when both party's could win.
Me looking at my 2023 Polestar 2 LRDM:
"It's ok. They can't hurt you. You parked next to a 240i and you felt superior remember?"
Why in the fuck can't I purchase a non connected vehicle?
Oh, but you can build yourself one.
/s
You can…until they come for the kits and older cars. It’s also expensive and takes a while, too.
Someone from around here built themselves an A Ford. Second best disconnection only to the original Mercedes. Took them a couple decades, though.
“A Ford”? A Model A you mean?
The U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security denied Polestar an authorization under the current Connected Vehicle Rule to sell cars in the U.S. from model year 2027 on. That’s because Polestar is a subsidiary of Geely, a Chinese automaker. Ironically, Polestar’s sister brand, also owned by Geely, Volvo, was granted the authorization in May.
What's the Connected Vehicle Rule? From the Bureau of Industry and Security (is that a thing?):
On January 14, 2025, the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) issued a rule restricting the import and sale of certain connected vehicles and related hardware/software linked to China or Russia. BIS determined these transactions pose national security risks, as companies from these countries may be compelled to share data or allow remote access to connected vehicles in the United States.
So, the reported ban seems capricious, but I wouldn't mind one solution: stop making cars connected. The key fob uses its local protocol for lock/unlock and remote start, my phone uses bluetooth for charge controls and status, and there's a scren that uses Android Auto. Car companies stop trying to write UX and network stacks.
Yea but then they couldn't harvest and sell your data
Being an American wanting an electric car must be a nightmare!
Not many options, and all of them are too expensive, because competition is stifled by keeping competition out with insane tariffs.
In Europe we are spoiled with choice, lots of European brands with lots of models, and we even have American although we don't want them, but we also have Chinese although they do have an EU import tax, to compensate for the Chinese subsidies.
But several Chinese brands are becoming quite popular, especially BYD and XPeng have become popular here in Denmark.
Hey just a friendly reminder those Chinese EVs are backdoored with an Elon style god mode like Tesla. Lots of modern cars have a similar issue but EVs get it bad. Tl;dr rip out your car's modem.
I bet all the new cars are unfortunately, my VW is also constantly connected to VW.
We need to make that shit illegal. Until then we have to live with it, just as with our smartphones.
I know I can install AOSP and get rid of it, and I did use that for years, but I just want the hassle anymore.
Being an American wanting an electric car must be a nightmare! Not many options, and all of them are too expensive,
Chevy Bolt MSRP is $28,995.
I'm waiting to see if Slate can hit their crazy $24,950 target base price. With a 65kWh battery, that's a pretty great price. That's almost cheaper than buying batteries alone. I'm wondering if it will be able to do home backup power.
Just looked it up, GM claims it has a 65 kWh battery, and 150 kW DC charging rate. That's not bad.
But it's only 1 option. Where in Denmark we have 16 options below $25,000.
It’s gets better. Even if you find an EV, the states tax you more than an ICE car. Texas has a $200 yearly fee to supposedly make up for lost gas tax revenue. But at 20c/gallon and assuming 30mpg, I’d have to drive 30,000 miles to offset that cost (only drove about 8,500 miles per year).
And now they want to do the same at the Federal level with another $150 tax (federal taxes are 18c/gallon), which would be another 25,000 miles.
So I would be taxed $350/year to offset “gas tax losses”, which would only even out for me if I were to drive 55,000 miles in a year.
So by that logic you don't have to pay tax for electric consumption, right? Right? Damn USA became such a cesspool...
I heard about that, and that's crazy. You gotta love all that freedom. 🤥
I don't drive nearly that much either.
I understand the logic of the tax on gas to pay for roads, but here an EV is taxed less because it pollutes less. USA needs more of that.
Realistically we should be taxing by weight and miles driven as the former causes the most damage to the roads. At that point the propulsion type and efficiency don’t really matter. EVs actually would be taxed more given that they’re heavier, but it’d also proportionately tax trucks and larger vehicles correctly at that point.
You could easily implement it with a yearly odometer reading with your registration or inspection and every car has a GVWR registered with it.
How about just metering charging infrastructure and taxing by the kilowatt hr? Power consumed is directly proportional to the weight, distance, and rate of travel. A simple mandate that all home charging stations have to have a wireless or remote-readable meter attached, and all public fast-chargers are taxed by KWh. Easy, simple, and nearly frictionless.
Yes that would be fair, but IMO there should be an environment tax on gas.
Yeah, it's extremely frustrating here. The EV market actively sucks with limited options and inflated prices. I also bought a used Polestar 2 last year, so now I'm extra frustrated.
My guess, however, is that PS just didn't care to deal with obtaining the waiver- the brand has sold poorly here in the US and they've been posturing to exit the market for a few years.
For some reason Polestar doesn't seem to be doing as well as it deserves in many markets.
I hope you can have yours maintained as long as is required even if they leave the market.
It was a runner up when we bought our EV.
If they're priced the same as the US models, it's little wonder they're not selling well. MSRP for the P2 was ~70k USD which is a non-starter for most folks.
I got mine used at 4 years old with 74k miles on it (fortunately EVs generally tend to last towards 200k miles barring any other issues) for 20k, it's the only reason I could afford to buy it. Otherwise I was probably going to go with an ID.4 which was at a similar price point. What did you end up going with?
Here in Denmark a Polestar 2 is just below $50,000 excluding VAT but including all other taxes.
Competition in USA is absolutely destroyed by crazy tariffs.
That’s still ridiculously high for a car. When my wife and I bought a new car a couple years ago we really stretched the bank to make a $35,000 car work.
That’s still ridiculously high for a car.
Yes it is a expensive, it used to be way cheaper, in 2022 it was "only" $43,000 IDK why the price has increased, I suppose they have made improvements.
Here $35,000 ex vat is a bit below average, which is probably more like $40,000 USD. Which is the starting price of the ID.4 here in Denmark.
Our 4 year old VW ID.4 cost $32,000 IDK including VAT or $26,000 excluding VAT.
So here we have nearly a similar hit for a 4 year used car! I hope you got a nice car. 😀
I’m not sure how VAT equivocates to tax tag and title here in the US, but for $35,000 car it should still be less than $1000. I pay a bit less than the average person because I’m Native and I go through my tribe instead of the state I live in, but I don’t think the rate I get is less than like half the state rate. A few years ago the same car would’ve been in the $29,000 range. At the time we got the car things were so crazy in the used market that it actually was about $100 less per month for us to get the new car then to get a four year-old used car of the same model.
Thank you, we got a Mazda CX-50. It’s a lot nicer than my 2004 Chrysler Sebring was with 280k miles (~450600km)! I’m not the primary driver so as long as my wife is happy with it I’m happy.
Hopefully wages will start reflecting prices someday.
VAT is a sales tax, and traditionally prices in USA are stated without that, sales tax in USA is local to the state you are in.
Companies deduct sales tax, so for them it's irrelevant except of course for their sales.
The new electric Mazda models we get here are mostly made in China, but being in USA, I bet yours isn't.
I like Mazda and have had a couple many years ago.
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I'm interested to see how the low-cost Chinese brands do on longer-term reliability. Their initial build quality is generally good, but their product cycles are so short that I don't see how they can capture knowledge that leads to them correcting design defects. To me, it looks like too much churn. But maybe they'll be fine. We'll have to see.
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Arbitrary actions are arbitrary.
I'm not terrified by that, just disgusted.
My guess is that the ulterior motive is to protect Tesla. Their competitors almost all offer better quality, and increasingly there are entrants to the market that produce those higher-quality vehicles at far lower cost. Musk seems unable or unwilling to take corrective actions, instead trying to buy the regulators.
almost all offer better quality
almost? LOL
It's not arbitrary, as your second paragraph suggests there are other reasons. Someone didn't pay off the administration. It really is like that.
But they want to make money off the days from the network. Think about the shareholders value!!
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