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It's an exploitation tool with no benefit to actual people.

Nuclear power can make energy.

Nuclear power can eradicate the planet and leave areas uninhabitable for untold years, and those it doesn't vaporize are altered for the rest of their lives. And sometimes they aren't aware until years after.

AI has good uses when applied carefully, such as in medical research.

AI is also being used as a reason to replace workers, it consumes massive amounts of energy, it creates sound and infrasound destroying environments around it, it consumes massive quantities of drinking water from surrounding areas, and is ultimately spurring on a society of wealthy ruling class who view humans as cattle, out in the open, and no one is stopping them.

Is it any wonder why people hate these things? But yes, a tool is a tool. It's the people using it that hate should be properly directed towards. Unfortunately, those same ruling class epstein elites dismantled education over decades, so it's harder for people in this day and age to think dialectically. It's easier to think in black and white, in extremes, just like media would have you believe, just as the culture wars have taught us for decades.

Because it sucks ass, fucking duh

Capitalism

I'm on Lemmy because I'm anti capitalist and generally support progressive policies such as circular economic practices and sustainability. I'm against AI because it goes against everything I mentioned. The gains aren't worth the cost.

It is the dot com bubble all over again, we all know the internet completely transformed the world but during that hyperphase anything with .com was getting money tossed at it.

We are in the same phase with AI. It will likely completely transform tech and medicine and a number of other fields. However 90% of what is being pushed right now is not good uses for it. They are masking the real costs for it. We are likely going to end up with an oversupply of datacenters just like all the unused dark fibre we had in the .com age. It will eventually transform into more useful things but "most" not "all" of it is hype right now.

AI is great. AI under capitalism is awful.

There are some basic responsibilities they need to meet like not violating copyright and licensing on source material creating a double standard where corp slop can pirate without charges but individuals can't and building and running data centers that aren't in conflict with the community they are running in. They also should have warnings about anthropomorphizing language models that don't think or reason but I'd settle for the first two to start.

As usual it's not the technology that's the problem, it's the dumbass way it's implemented in a profit motive

I dont hate AI, I hate the people who are pushing it on us. I hate thier ultimate goal.

Its a massive theft machine destroying the earth in an attempt to eliminate labor value with no benefit to anyone in the long run other than the ultra rich. AI isn't for you, its for rich people to get richer so they dont have to pay humans to do work.

Fuck AI. LLMs can be interesting but the atmosphere that is "AI" is a net bad on society.

This isnt even mentioning how fucking boring and generic its output is.

I don’t hate ‘AI’, I don’t acknowledge it exists.

None of the use cases of LLMs I’ve observed can in any way be legitimately argued to be a form of intelligence, and anyone arguing otherwise is betraying their absence of said trait.

LLMs are explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion spinsters, which is why all the logos for ‘AI’ companies are variations of arseholes.

Pro:

• It's good at explaining things. You have a question about coding, geography, or most anything you could answer with a thorough internet search and enough time to sift through the results, it'll give you an answer immediately that's tailored specifically to your question.

Con:

• Answers are sometimes subtly wrong in a way that's hard to pick out unless you already know the answer or are already an expert. It's like having a really smart uncle who likes to prank you every few times he talks to you.

Pro:

• It can generate any text you ask for. A love letter to your girlfriend, an application for a job, an article to post on the internet. Instead of spending hours thinking about something, learning something, and sharing your opinion on it, it can just give you polished text that makes it look like you have a smart take and an opinion.

Con:

• People who use it for this are getting dumber. It's growing near impossible to teach kids in school because they can just Chat GPT a paper on the Great Gatsby in seconds. All they end up learning is how to ask an LLM to give them an opinion. This is also producing a tidal wave of slop in every outlet that used to depend on human creativity. Open source coding, books, news, online articles, and many other arenas used to take effort to generate something, and there are systems, businesses, and processes built on the assumption that a human is generating content. Since that's no longer true these systems are breaking down.

Another Con:

• It's fucking up the economy, the job market, consuming absurd amounts of energy, and sucking up the production of computer components.

Pro:

• It allows anybody to generate art in almost any style with very little effort. You can produce the picture you want in the style you like in moments.

Con:

• The reason it can do this is the AI companies stole and used art generated by real people in the training data for their LLMs. So now if you want a cartoon in the style of your favorite artist you don't even have to ask them to make something for you. You just ask an LLM. Obviously, this is killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Business for artists dwindles and they struggle more and more to live. The end state of that is all art is generated by LLMs and nothing new is ever created.

I could go on, but in short the drawbacks greatly outweigh the advantages. Yes, you can get quick answers to questions, but the net outcome on people and society is massive damage.

Been around long enough to know that we are being sold on a lie that's real purpose is extracting wealth at the fastest rate possible from the lower 99% while providing unknown risks and low likelihood of benefits to most of the population. The only "AI" that currently works well is a very fast database searcher. It is better than a human at that task but requires humans to create the database and all the information in it first in order for it to work. The only "AI" that seems to be possibly "thinking" for itself is hopeless, wrong, and/or very destructive.

Because the endgame of the way we are developing the technology is not Star Trek but I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.

It's an existential threat, a Great Filter.

It's because AI in the form of LLMs is a piece of SHIT BS lies generator FUCKING GODDAMN copyright theft! SHITTY ASS LIAR CLANKER dumb bot

Assuming you're talking about generative AI and most (or all?) chatbots - the only people who 'like' it are the rich, the elderly, the tech illiterate, and the right-wing. None of these has any presence on Lemmy. Or on reddit, for that matter. AI sentiment is pretty much the same across the two platforms, from what I've seen.

The only places where I've seen any kind of unironic pro-AI content is Facebook and LinkedIn. So basically platforms filled with the aforementioned groups.

for every reason.

'cause i'm a hater and being a hater RULES have you tried it? much better than prompting a hundred times for something that looks or reads likes shit

Because it's lame, and sucks shit

Because it's built on the creative collective works of everything that's ever been put on the Internet with no attribution or compensation for people who's authored works were stolen. Maybe that's why?

Because it's not really ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. It's basically fast computing. And stealing data from other websites.

Because we’d rather have national forests, clean water, job opportunities, a sustainable future and liberty than live in morodor with the eye of Sauron staring at us all the time

Using ai to make it solve complex problems, analyse things and summarise objective outcomes is fantastic.

Unfortunately making it slop out is easier and TikTok-brained people are keen on making it poop slop. That’s why the consumer level ai makes me bit grossed out as well.

Its a tool. Great tool. Like photoshop and excel. But it can be also abused to steal, manipulate and destroy what have been built so far by humanity in seconds.

And the second one just makes it even worse this invention is made by Americans so “it has to be profitable” cancer all over it. That’s why it sucks now. Its capitalism driven not humanity. Even open ai changed to for profit “for undisclosed reasons”. The thing doesn’t work now unless you throw lots of bucks on it.

Its going to be better and way more useful at some point. But not anytime near until America’s upcoming economical crash. American capitalism is one of the worst thing happened to human kind and until its controlled nothing ever coming out from country is going to be beneficial to human kind. That’s why it sucks big time now.

The reasons why so many people hate it. Are lengthy.

A big one is we see jobs already being eliminated. And people like to live in this fantasyland that oh there’ll be new jobs created. But anybody who has studied history, realizes that that’s not going to happen in this case.

For example, when we switched from horse and buggy to motorized vehicles,. The people built the buggies they could be cross trained to build the vehicles. Jobs were created.

When we switched from the mechanical typewriter to the electronic typewriter that was easy cross train. When we moved away from the electronic typewriter to a computer, there were jobs created.

Here’s the problem that we run into. Let’s just look at accounting. Many jobs in the accounting field can be done by a properly trained AI system. Most data entry jobs can be done by AI. Many programming jobs are being handed off to AI. You were seeing this across all industries. Whereare the jobs going to be actually created at?

There are some data entry jobs to program AI. But those are minimum wage jobs at best.

As AI becomes better and better, they will be able to take more and more jobs.

We are already seeing AI being used to create music. There goes a lot of musicians jobs. There a goes a lot of songwriting jobs.

This is becoming a very large problem. Because you will still have the same number of people looking for work, but you’ll have less jobs. That means the pay for said jobs will drop drastically. Supply and demand.

The people who truly believe there will be magically new jobs created as far as I’m concerned or absolutely delusional.

Another big problem is it limits human interaction. I know there’s a lot of people that don’t want to talk to anybody, but here’s the reality. Humans are social creatures. As we become More and more isolated, It becomes harder for us to sympathize and empathize with other people. That makes it easier to create divisions between people. Trust me, the governments will absolutely use that to their benefit.

AI is very harmful to the environment, it destroys communities because of data centers, it killed the price of gaming and consumer computing, and it's being used to layoff a shit ton of people.

I use AI daily for my job because it's required, and I do use it outside of work too, but it's too powerful, too dangerous, and I wish it didn't exist. The way companies abuse it in the name of profit is too damaging for our world.

I'm not completely against it. I do recognise its threats to privacy, the planet, and intellect though. The average person trusts it too much.

Personally, I do not use it that much. I do however use it to help with research. I find being able to ask a question quite useful as a jumping off point for further research. I do not rely on it to answer correctly, simply to aid in pointing me in the right direction. Then I go off and do more specific research.

I have been moving from windows 10 to linux mint recently, it was quite useful in aiding with this at times. Not all the time, just at the right times. If there were a particular issue I was struggling with it could help point me in the right direction, though I would not trust it to simply spit out the right advise and commands to type to fix an issue without researching exactly what those commands did, how that would potentially help fix the issue and how to revert if it messed something up. I have seen many examples where the advise it gave was terrible and potentially destructive because I researched the advise it gave, had I of not it would have really messed things up. It must be used responsibly.

People are all to quick to talk into their phones, get a response and trust it to be all knowing. Their queries are forever recorded and logged to their personal identity without and option to opt out. I use privacy orientated search engines with ai functionality such as duckduckgo and ecosia. Ecosia makes it very easy to verify the sources of information given from their ai, also they put in efforts to be as green as possible. Very respectable.

So no, I am not against ai. I am against the usual way in which the average person uses it and the way the majority of companies are using it to exploit people and the planet to turn a profit.

When people say "AI," I assume they are talking about the large corporate Neural Networks that get branded as "AI" for marketing purposes.

I hate these because they're a grift. They're funded and maintained by a handful of ultra-rich idiots who saw no value in learning social sciences nor the humanities, and thus have failed to learn from history. The people pushing for mass adoption believe in a variety of unscientific pseudo-religious conspiracy beliefs about AI gods and devils leading humanity.

I hate that the cost of these cults are being foisted onto the rest of society by way of government and corporate contracts.

I hate that mass media is rapidly degrading in quality in order to justify the purchase of said contracts.

I hate that the people making important decisions that affect my life and well-being — doctors, the people who develop my software, my government representatives, news reporters, lawyers — are not just willing, but actively excited at the prospect of turning off their brains and letting black boxes controlled by opaque corporations make the decisions for them.

I hate that despite 3+ years of hype and 10+ years of public access, the only people who have demonstrably benefitted from it are Nvidia, scammers, and people who don't want to use their brain.

But mostly, and this is the clincher, I hate that we are literally destroying the earth to run these machines. Even if every other problem disappeared overnight, this should be an argument killer. We only get one home, and we are setting fire to it. I don't care if it improves the lives of millions of humans, because it is hastening the death of hundreds of billions of lifeforms.

I hate that people ignore this or conveniently forget it or are just apathetic about it. I hate that this argument just carries little to no weight for most fence-sitters. I hate that people treat feeling emotional about the destruction of our only home as being irrational. I hate ecoterrorism being excused by marketing babble and shitty faux-skeptical wishy-washiness.

People here are privy to the many downsides of rapid AI adoption vs Facebook grandmas who use it to make memes and identify weird bugs in their house.

I can agree with most of the points in the thread. Especially the forced use of AI where it makes no sense.

I'm a software engineer going on my second decade in developing media streaming technologies.

LLMs are useful in my day-to-day work. They speed up development a lot, but I do realise that I am getting disassociated with my codebase. I know that the individual commits are on a level that I would've written myself, often even better. But I don't know the codebase as intimately as if I actually wrote it myself. The cognitive load of reviewing two other people's AI-assisted code is also very taxing.

But, we can hate it as much as we want. Pandora is out of her box, and it's better to get ahead with it than be left behind.

This whole thread is a great honeypot for my ‘AI Techbro’ user tag!

I like humans and human creativity and human intelligence and I think everyone using a technology that actively makes you bad at those things while spitting out crappy jumbled regurgitations of someone else's work is not a good thing.