The way I recently heard it explained is that socialism is when the workers own the means of production and communism is when the government owns the means of production
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Businesses (capital), labor (society), and the government are the three main components of a functioning state.
"Capitalism", "socialism", and "communism" are terms used to describe who is given the most control over the means of production in the economic system of a state.
"Capitalism" describes an economic system that places most of the control in the hands of capital (businesses). "Socialism" describes an economic system that places most of the control with workers (society), and communism describes an economic system that places most of the control with the government.
It should be noted that, even though these terms are VERY often conflated and even used interchangeably with terms that describe political systems, such as "authoritarian" or "democratic", the fact is that these terms have nothing to do with each other and no combination of terms from either set are mutually exclusive.
To say it more simply, any capitalist, socialist, or communist society can also be democratic or authoritarian. The idea that socialism is the same thing as authoritarianism is propaganda created by capitalists who are scared to death of livong in a society that places the needs of the common working man above the needs of the biggest businesses in the country.
communism describes an economic system that places most of the control with the government.
I know you're simplifying things for brevity but this is misleading at best. You can't gloss over the goal of a classless, stateless society when defining communism, and it is explicitly a left-wing philosophy. Contrast with fascism, a right-wing political philosophy that places most of the control with the government by reinforcing control over capital and creating a clear national identity.
You can gloss over that goal if you don't consider Marxism the only form of communism.
There are other types of communism possible, some that even already exist in smaller groupings of humans than at the state level.
Communism, in the broadest definition, is the goal of achieving a stateless and classless society where everybody is equal with no hierarchy of any kind. In this umbrella, you have all sorts of different groups, you might have heard of "Marxists" or "Marxist-Leninists", but this goal is also shared by non-Marxist socialists and some forms of anarchism too! Indeed, the first Communist International included the anarchists as they shared similar goals, but future "Internationals" did not as their methodology of achieving this utopia differed significantly.
Socialism is another broad term thrown around to describe a lot of things, but in a nutshell, a socialist advocates for reforms that move closer to a communist utopia (though that might not be the goalpost). It is sometimes also used to refer to "social democrats", who uphold capitalism while pushing for social reforms that results in a more equal and less divided society. This is not to be conflated with "democratic socialists", who are anti-capitalist and pro-democracy.
Not all communists are socialists, and not all socialists are communists.
As small tidbit, not all communists are Marxists, that term specifically refers to those who believe in the ideas of Karl Marx. They are not necessarily authoritarian, but many of Marx's ideas can be interpreted as such. Marxist-Leninism / Bolshevism is an extension of Marxism that focuses more on a violent revolution and a strong authoritarian state. There are also other forms that revolve around various different people, like Stalinism, Trotskyism, Maoism, etc., but most of those are pretty cult-like.
Personally, I support democracy and believe that a transparent government that lets the people decide on issues creates a fairer, more equal society. I guess you could also say I'm a socialist, as I like the idea of a more egalitarian society and I support the social reforms that try to achieve that
Small note, I'm not an economist, but I do know that socialism aims to give more economic control to the working class over the owning class (businessmen and that sort). Things like unions, minimum wages, paid maternity leave, etc. stemmed from socialists and generally improved the lives of workers!
Both words can have more than one meaning.
Socialism may be among other things:
- an economic system where the "means of production" are owned by the workers (Marxist theory as I understand it)
- the economic and political system that was implemented in the Soviet Union and its allies (they described it as socialism)
- social democracy, ie government regulations of the free market in order to make it more socially just
Communism, in Marxist theory, is a future stateless moneyless classless society which Marxists claim will inevitably happen after socialism. (Nonsense, but that's the theory.) But a lot of times the word is used, it just means the second point from above, ie the way the Soviet Union and its allies were ruled. That's mainly because a lot of ruling parties in those countries called and still call themselves the Communist Party of (country), though others didn't, eg the East German ruling party was called the Socialist Unity Party of Germany.
Socialism - Everyone contributes money to social programs that benefit everyone. Taxes are higher, but the money is used for the benefit of all. The government exists to oversee the programs that support the people. This HAS worked in many countries around the world. It is not about everyone being economically equal in society, it's about accessibility of care and benefit for everyone regardless of their starting point.
Communism - Everyone is to be on equal footing and wealth is to be evenly distributed among everyone. Everything is, in theory, shared and belongs to everyone. The government exists to oversee the transition of society, then is meant to step aside rather than remain above the rest of the people. This has NOT worked as no one has ever successfully established this and then stepped aside. It leaves the door wide open for abuse of power.
It's important to consider the fact that an economy does not have to be entirely Capitalist, Socialist, or Communist.
Most countries already have Socialist and Capitalist components at this point.
What I'd personally like to see is Land be a communist system. Necessities be Socialist. Luxuries be Capitalist.
Ever citizen of a country should own and share in the land of the country equally. It should not be possible to privately own land. If land is leased or rented from this pool for individual or corporate use, that money should be given to everyone equally. Likely that would be handled by a government in reality, but it should be fairly hands off other than facilitating the transfer of value.
Necessities like Housing, Food, Transportation, Medical Care, Parks, Rec Centers, Schools, Police, Courts, etc. should be all handled with socialism. Where the government collects taxes from the land value and capitalist markets, and operates these systems itself for the benefit of everyone who needs them.
If you want more than necessities, capitalism should stick around to handle those desires. Want a bigger fancier house, some fancy oranges from another country, a suit made of silk, go ahead and buy it on a capitalist market either with the money you receive from your portion of land ownership value, or through participating in the capitalist market yourself.
More simply, socialism is about indirect redistribution of wealth through taxes paying for social programs that benefit everyone. Communism seeks literal redistribution of wealth to maintain equal economic status for all.
Socialism might also seek the direct redistribution of wealth via wealth taxes.
The difference is primarily in collecting wealth via taxes after the fact, rather than having a central body try and actively redistribute everything before payment.
Glad I learned something today. I didn't know the difference until now. Thanks.
There is definitely a difference, and they are not interchangeable. I'll let other people chime in with a rigorous definition for communism, but at a minimum, it must have abolished the state and social classes entirely. So one could say that communism is at the very end of the road, and the various flavors of socialism are the routes to get there.
Various flavors of socialism? Yes, I've written an earlier comment about that, and another one here. In brief, there are many ways to move beyond capitalism.
communism is an utopia ideal far more than an actionable form of government. I have never met a human being who didn't function without a conception of social class. it only really works in small communities that have closed belief systems and practice social-isolation.
socialism is very actionable, it's more of a policy than a form of government. you can have a socialist monarchy or dictatorship. most 'communist' countries were/are socialist dictatorships.
Socialism, social democracy, and communism all focus on a more egalitarian distribution of wealth and income. To what extent and what their approaches are, differ, though.
Social democracy proposes a classless society, usually within the premise of an 'electoral democracy', often with trade unions and strikes as a bulwark against further deterioration into capitalism.
Socialism, if distinguished from social democracy, also wishes a classless society, but goes further: it wishes to advance social ownership of the economy.
Rather than just politics, the economy is also democratised. Instead of a CEO deciding for all, it's the labourers that choose, that have a say.
Communism proposes that a just society must be not just classless, but also moneyless and stateless.
Instead of money as transferrable and susceptible to wealth accumulation, other means for exchange are used; labour vouchers, community exchange systems, and so on. Instead of a centralised, repressive state, society would be decentralised and free, living in communes; if there is a military or a police, both should stand on equal footing with the people.
Personally, I'm an anarchist communist and favour that model, though I also can see a case for market socialism or council communism, and feel sympathetic to the left wing cause in general. And that is what all of us should do: respect each other's outlooks, and strive together for the left cause.
Talking about "socalism" in a language beset by capitalist oligarchs applying the label to things as mundane as "feeding children" really does require we draw a distinction between the numerous resultant definitions.
Some people use "socialism" to mean the anti-capitalist ideal you describe, while others mean either "thing I dont want my taxes to provide" or "the things those guys keep blocking."
One is a socioeconomic philosophy, while the other is a political structure. One might involve the other, but that's not necessarily always the case.
Socialism is an economic term. Communism is a political term.
They're both economic terms. Socialism gives society control over the means of production. Communism gives the government control. The reason people think they're the same is because, in a democratic political system, the government represents their society.
China is an example of an authoritarian state where the government acts independently of the will of society, has complete control over the means of production, and enforces that control, so it's considered communist.
Scandinavian countries are examples of democratic states where the people have control over the means of production, the government is simply a mechanism that enforces that control, so they're considered socialist.
The USA is an example of a capitalist state where businesses control the means of production, the government is simply a mechanism that enforces that control, so they're considered capitalist.
Here's the reality.
All political labels fall apart in the real world.
Think North Korea is a 'democratic republic?' Or that Hitler was a Marxist?
Look at the 1956 Republican Party platform.
Heck, billionaire GOP Mayor Mike Bloomberg pushed to lower the number of cars coming into New York, almost as if he were a Green.
My advice is to look at the actual candidates and leave the theory in the classroom
Or that Hitler was a Marxist?
Hitler described himself as a socialist, but certainly not Marxist.
He only described himself as a socialist to other socialists. In front of other nationalists, he called himself a nationalist.
His party was called the "Nationalist Socialist" party. When he addressed nationalists, he would capitalize the N and call it the "Nationalist social" party like we're all just a bunch of nationalists socializing. But, when he spoke to socialists, he would capitalize the S and call it the "national Socialist" party.
Hitler didn't care about nationalism or socialism. He only cared about saying whatever he thought he needed to say to obtain as much power as possible.
Literally, 'Socialism' was in the name.
Also, the actual members of the Party hated to be called "Nazis' because Nazi is a nickname for Ignatz. It was a bit like calling an american 'Homer' or 'Jethro,'
Yeah, but he only emphasized the "Socialist" part of the name in front of socialists. In front of nationalists, he called it the "Nationalist social" party like we're all just socializing with each other.
The truth is, Hitler supported the ideology of whoever he was addressing. He didn't care about implementing any specific system, as long as he had absolute power over it.
Which gets us back to the original point; that there's no reason to discuss political labels anywhere but a classroom.
Communism is a specific type of socialism
Socialism is a wider umbrella term.
They do have technical definitions that educated people debate over.
For everyone else, they mean the same thing. That thing being all that's great or terrible in an economy, depending on the point of view.
My thoughts/understanding, without Google searching/copy pasting, is that communism is supposed to focus more on the structure of a community and specific ways to allocate duties and rewards to generally better the lives of a subset group of people (Community). Personal wealth and standing coincide with your communal position, while ensuring that the least standing members still have a good minimal quality of life.
Socialism is similar, but focuses more on everyone as a whole. Everything is meant to be setup and geared towards the betterment and equality of all, but in a less structured way. All things are done for the betterment of self and society. Rewards and standing depend on merit and deeds equally. Tangible reward is shared as equally as possible.
I’m not sure if I am conveying my thoughts right here. This is way harder to write out than I expected when I started, but I’m too deep now.
In my mind, communism would be more hierarchical in tangible reward, socialism would be hierarchical in subjective reward. (Think Star Trek).
I am probably way off, so if you want the text book definitions and differences, I’d suggest an online search for such.
Edit: spelling
I’m not educated enough to give you a fulfilling answer, but from what I understand:
These are two similar economic ideologies. They’re not interchangeable per se, but they share a lot of characteristics that make them seem identical from some perspectives.
Now, unless someone else comments who’s more familiar with this than I am, I do recommend looking this up for more information!
Idiots think they are the same thing.
They are about the same as monarchy and democracy. As in they are different systems of government with different arrangements and goals
and there is tons of varbility in each and across them. you can have elements of htem that overlap.
when people claim they are directly opposed to capitalism/democracy, they are also just stupidly wrong.
the problem is that 'communism' in the real world, has never existed, and socialism is quite limited in most countires.
what most countries that are communist/socialist actually were/are, is autocratic or oligarch states, with planned economies.
most capitalist democracies have tons of socialism, it's just a matter of degree and kind. USA doesn't have a sovereign wealth fund, but it sure as shit is socialist AF when it comes to defense spending.