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Microsoft is losing Builders fast. They're switching to MacOS and Linux. The biggest pull keeping people on Windows, outside of shear inertia, is content creation and gaming. However, even these are falling to Linux.

Without Builders, you don't have software, and without software, you don't have users. This is why Microsoft needs Windows Lite.

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[–] tixooo@lemmy.zip 64 points 1 day ago

to little, not late. Been a avid windows user since `95, used all of them up to 11 no exception, pivoted 3 years ago to linux, and at this point there is literally not a thing that will bring me back. Linux is 1000x better for me, free of charge, more polished, faster, better looking, no BS, and if there IS any bs, i can move to another distro that i like. There is literally not a single thing. Those kernel level anti cheat games... fuck em, i got 1000's of games to play that work on steam and gog and uplay and battle.net and all other platforms flawlessly no problem and been waiting to play em.

[–] IamLost@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm building a gaming PC that's gonna run Linux. To prep, I install my distro of choice (CachyOS) on an old laptop to check it out. It was fantastic. I'm confident saying, unless there's a very specific outlier reason, you don't need Windows anymore.

[–] bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Good on ya it's a shame tons of popular games require Windows for their anti-cheat software to work

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[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Microsoft is not going to remove .NET to attract software developers when they want developers to use .NET. Not having access to software that uses .NET probably wouldn't be a good trade off for how little removing it from Windows would do to make Windows lighter.

[–] fartsparkles@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

.NET is arguably one of the better things to come out of Microsoft. The CLR only runs when a .NET application is running so it’s not bloat, and it’s pretty lightweight as far as a VM goes with JIT. It’s well documented, has public standards, is cross platform, and released under MIT.

I’m a Unix/Linux greybeard so I’ve no real skin in the game. But given how C# has become the defacto cross platform game development language of choice for both Godot and Unity engines, .NET deserves a little credit.

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

C#/.NET is easily the best thing Microsoft makes.

I realize the bar is pretty low.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

There are also lots of games that use .NET.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To quote Steve Ballmer; "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS [...] DEVELOPERS. YES!".

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (14 children)

fuck, they need that to retain business customers.

It's becoming ridiculous how much lost time there is at work because of Microsoft bullshit. Teams doesn't work, OneDrive doesn't sync, Outlook won't find anything for you, all of the office programs are becoming more difficult to use and slower...

I've got a team of about a dozen people and we probably lose an entire person's work day every single week just to Microsoft bullshit. not even regular issues, just straight up bullshit that shouldn't happen.

if I weren't so busy, I'd be looking into switching my team to Linux. but at some point it's going to get bad enough and I'm going to be low enough on work (lol okay not likely) that I'll be able to properly investigate a transition. Microsoft is the weak point of pretty much every process at our company.

except for excel. that's still doing okay. not great, but okay.

This is because they constantly need to "develop" it to give it new "features" and "improvements". Bitch, Office peaked at 2007-2010, move onto innovating somewhere else.

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[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But here's the big problem: stripping all of the terrible shit out of Windows doesn't make it better than Linux, it just makes it less bad than Windows is today.

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[–] r0bi@infosec.pub 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The closest thing is LTSC, but Linux is easier to deal with imo

[–] michaelalf@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'll go one further and say IOT *Enterprise LTSC

[–] username123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Letting out the big secrets

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Micro$lop wants to become what IBM was. They want corporate money and subscriptions. They hate users anyway.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lots of games, especially indy games, rely on .NET, like Stardew Valley, and Terraria.

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

Good luck with that. Linux is what you are looking for and it's here already.

[–] weaponG@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The last time they intentionally built Windows lite was XP. This was well before SSDs, so it will not sparingly use your SSD if you're getting any ideas of trying it.

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[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You have been able to make custom installs of Windows that remove all these things since at least Windows 98. Though without .NET, a ton of shit will stop working as it's a library of functions/runtime environments.

That won't work. How are you supposed to draw the line between what is/isn't spyware? Inevitably, MS would say, "we don't consider this to be telemetry/spyware/etc." and users will disagree, and MS will tell them to shove it.

Besides, Google has all of the shit that's mentioned and gamers/developers don't care, so I doubt it would make any difference at all. The fact is, Windows is a garbage system to develop for. Linux is the best system to use for deployments, Windows will never come close, and that's ultimately what's going to decide where developers go. And gamers are too niche for MS to care. The dominoes will really start falling when business customers start switching to Linux en masse.

And this is inevitable. When it comes to business use, open systems always win in the end.

[–] quietsummit26364@lemmy.1095.me 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

@VetOfTheSeas — you mentioned content creation and gaming as the last anchors, and that's where I'd push back slightly. Content creation tools (Davinci Resolve, Blender, Final Cut) run on Linux now. The stickiness isn't the OS anymore, it's the plugin ecosystem and GPU drivers. Windows still wins on CUDA driver maturity, but that's narrowing. Gaming's the real hold, but Proton's been closing the gap for two years. If Windows Lite shipped without the telemetry tax, it might actually feel like a platform built for creators instead of a platform mining them for data. That's the retention angle that could work.

[–] bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

He probably meant Adobe.

Freecad is nowhere near pro packages which is what is keeping me on windows

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You can have it now. Just buy a enterprise license and manage with active directory. If you pay the big dollars you can turn stuff off.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

shear

"sheer", here.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 8 points 1 day ago

There's no money to get or data to sell from that though, so it's not gonna happen.

[–] madthumbs@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago

All the things that are easily disabled? -Sounds as foolish as having a distro for changing wallpaper, fonts and color scheme.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 8 points 1 day ago

Not really. Windows can shoot people's dogs and people would still use it, look for "disable targeting feature debloat" or something.

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