Imagine living in a society where we collectively decide some people just get all the privilege to themselves, and the rest of us can just roll around in the mud, and everyone is ok and happy with that.
this post was submitted on 08 Jun 2025
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It isn't a decision we made. Were born into a system that's the culmination of trillions of man hours. How do you one day look at that great beast, and between hundreds of millions of individuals with their own ideas, biases, social standings, etc all collectively decide to say no at the same time? It's a monumental task.
I agree in general, but I guess if you're talking specifically about how some people feel like they shouldn't be able to be drafted, I'd argue it's less an issue than the idea of drafting in general.
BTS be like:
It was all a scam setup by his manager. He was never gonna wind up anywhere remotely near a battle
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Elvis_Presley
Pretty involved scam then as I've actually met Someone that served with him.
Huh? No one said Elvis didn't serve in the army
"Scam" is an exaggeration. Your own Wikipedia link shows he declined a cushy entertainment position in Special Services. Twice. He completed the training, which he hated, and broke down in tears on multiple phone calls, describing his homesickness. As the most popular entertainer in the world at the time, he was of course given special privileges, but he was still a soldier. Soldiers have many duties and not all of them engage in direct combat. "Never winding up anywhere remotely near a battle" would have happened with anyone that famous (for political and strategic reasons), and certainly did for other rich, well-connected people...
I didn't say it was a scam by Elvis, I said it was a scam by his manager. Read the whole article, it clearly was. The manager convinced the selective service to immediately draft Elvis before his number came up, lying to them that Elvis would be a performer for the army, but then after he was drafted he convinced Elvis not to be an army performer and instead go into the regular army, even though Elvis didn't want to. Per the article, the manager did this specifically to make more money from Elvis's career
Thank you, I did read the whole article! You said "It was all a scam setup by his manager." That's an exaggeration, if not misinformation. His manager Parker essentially only scammed Elvis, by making it seem he would be able to avoid service.
I also don't see where it said his manager "convinced the selective service to immediately draft Elvis before his number came up, lying to them that Elvis would be a performer for the army", but I don't have access to The Colonel, the source in the article.
Those nitpicks aside, I think they both probably decided it was a shrewd business decision for Elvis to give 2 years of service as a soldier, rather than a performer, especially since Elvis declined Special Services a second time after he was already drafted.
Bullshit. At 21, he was eligible for conscription as any other male US citizen, and so he was conscripted.
A peaceful stint with the NATO forces in Germany was typical at the time. I don't think any US conscripts saw battle during these years.
It’s common that VIP and celebrity conscriptions, where military service is voluntary, are mostly a propaganda stunt.
While the propaganda entices young people to go to the battle front because someone has to go, It’s also very common for celebrities to be sheltered from any real harm, since that could be detrimental to conscription.
Yes. That's a good use of resources. Any country will do it that way, and has done it that way. The engineers develop new weapons. The workers build them. Entertainers do propaganda. Anyone else goes to the front.
However, during Elvis Presley's time to serve, there was no hot war being fought. I don't think US conscripts were sent into battle between the end of the UN operation in Korea/the Korean War, and some time after the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Not surprised
why should i be forced to kill myself and others for the oligarchs, while famous people get to live in comfort?
fuck that give me taylor swift in my squad
I get your point, but also I wouldn't trust Swift with my life.
I'd probably prefer to be on her squad. She would fund all the best gear and get all the safest quests
You’d also get airlifts for everything further than 75m
You forgot one m.
You could stencil "haters gonna hate hate hate" on your helmet.
I don't think it's so much as famous people getting to live in comfort, more those pesky tabloids, et al leaking the location of these rich fuckers, putting civilians, troops and army operations in danger.
I mean, half the guys from BTS are in the army right now
Kind of a bad comparison since Beyonce being a woman cannot be drafted afaik.
All the fight for equality for nothing \s
Okay, ramen hair Timberlake then
After that Destiny's Child - Survivor video, where they danced in camo, I can picture that 😅
That day is closer than you think...