DoomSayer

Ah, OK. I rolled the dice on that one. Didn't realise you would so easily agree. I think I see that we just have different views on whether a country represents the ideals of one or a smaller number of actors, whether or not they have made their way to the higher echelons of government. It's clear that we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Thanks for the exchange though.

I do continue to say it. Are pedophiles representative of the USA? They voted one in and still have him there after the abundant evidence that he contributed to the abuse and trafficking of girls and underage young women. I'll agree that Nazis are representative of Ukraine if you agree that pedophiles are representative of good ol' 'Murica.

No, I'm wondering what genuine options Zelensky has. It strikes me that he's not in a position to make well balanced decisions. If he doesn't recruit the help of these Nazis than what would be the reality for his campaign against the Russian invaders and pro-Russians in his country? Is there evidence that Zelensky has recruited the help of these Nazis because he genuinely, and wholeheartedly supports their policitcal aims? These would be kind of questions that would be asked in court. I think it's reasonable to look at a few memes and articles and believe the full picture is still much deeper.

So you're calling me a Nazi? This is proof of Godwin's law. Let me try and dumb-down my position a bit for you...

Does the Ukraine itself have a chequered past with allegiences going east and west over time? Yes.

Is it clear that Ukraine have recruited the help of some highly questionable groups? Yes.

Does that make them representative of those groups? No.

Are they doing this because they're in an extremely challenging position with limited options? Yes.

Would I do the same if I was in a similar position? Perhaps...?

Does this short list come close to fully summarizing the situation in Ukraine? Not at all.

Your question is invalid. You want a clear, partisan response that reinforces a myopic world view. I talk to you like an insolent child because you act like one. The reality of the situation in Ukraine is far more complex than a few journalists, buzz-terms, or a few memes can encapsulate. You don't actually want discussion or debate. You want to believe you spotted something that few others have. I think you're missing about 99% of the detail required to help you form a question that I actually would be interested in engaging.

It's very odd. I'm trying to work out if its pro-Russian activists hijacking a largely unregulated and slightly obscure social networking platform or if it's just extremist lefties who've gone so far to left they've gone around the back and reappeared on the far right! Either way the absence of (or presence of shit) moderators is noticeable here...

But these articles indicate that neo-nazis are involved. I read that as they are present, but they are not representative. This is like saying that all of USA are pedophiles because of their orange-faced, democratically-elected, and still-in-power leader...