What's illogical about it? How can you even apply logic to personal values and opinions?
ExLisper
joined 9 months ago
Ok, so you're saying that it'a enough for me to support higher taxes for the rich and we'll be cool? The poor masses wont kill me in the class war even if I do have a yacht?
Why would I fight for democracy if the masses see me as their enemy? That's what I mean. If everyone with more money they you (even wage workers) is the enemy than I guess I have to side with the system that protects me. What other choice do I have? Sacrifice my life for the good of the common people? Who am I? Prometheus?
So what am I supposed to do? Donate my house to the homeless? Or simply buy a gun and get ready to fights the poors when class war begins?
Yeah, except not. Where I live every ID has a digital certificate in it or you can install an app which works as an ID and can be verified by 3rd party and at the same time you can just buy a paper bus ticket with cash. What you're describing is a tracking system that works without a digital ID. It's clear digital ID is not a key factor here. But I see you just don't understand this and I can't make this any clearer so we can simply agree to disagree and move on.
in my country you already have to scan your monthly pass, tied to your id. travel information is also persisted for years. they banned paper passes in law.
This just confirms my point. Those practices are not tied to digital ID. You can gather the same data without digital ID and having digital ID does not automatically mean data will be gathered. People simply don't want government to do anything because they don't trust it. And this is fine. I was just wandering if digital ID in itself is a bad idea for some reason but I see it's not.
I get it but I still think it's more about just being against the government than any realistic risk. You already have to show your ID to buy alcohol or enter some places. The government could simply require shop owners to scan the ID with government app. Digital ID is not needed to monitor where each ID is used. And you don't have to show your ID to use public transport. Just having digital ID doesn't mean it will be mandatory to use it everywhere. They can just as easily require normal ID everywhere. The risks you're describing are basically a big stretch. But I get it, you don't trust this government to do anything so this includes digital ID.
Interesting. In other countries digital ID is treated the same as normal ID card. When I'm buying alcohol I can scan my digital ID or just show my card. No one is forcing anyone to only use the digital one. Are there any indications that the plan is to deprecate physical cards?
It matters if we're arguing who's right. If you just want to understand their mental jump it doesn't. Of course those people are ignorant, misinformed or have ulterior motives but their believes are often logical. It's like not vaccinating your kids because you believe vaccines are more dangerous than the disease. Or course it's wrong but if you really believe it, being anti-vax is logical. Where it stops being logical is in the MAGA movement. They want to drain the swamp by voting for a criminal and want to fight pedophiles by electing one. It's just a cult, there's no logic there. The far right movements in Europe/Japan are build on misinformation but still need to invent logical arguments.