FreedomAdvocate

It's John Oliver, a "progressive" shill (who is supposed to be a comedian lol) who is just a propaganda mouthpiece. If I posted a video of Joe Rogan talking about trans women and all the physical advantages they retain forever would you watch it and think it's a good source? Somehow I don't think so. Being "clear and concise" doesn't change the fact that he's a biased bullshit artist.

After 2 years HRT, any advantages a trans woman may have had are statistically gone.

Does HRT shrink your height? Reduce your lung capacity? Shrink your arms? Change your bone structure? Muscle density?

Nope! Does none of that, and those are only 4 of the obvious differences between men and women that give men physical advantages.

You guys don't seem to understand that the effects of testosterone and other things don't just disappear when you no longer produce testosterone. If you give a 25 year old man testosterone blockers, does he shrink and revert back to a 10 year old boys size and physical stature? No.

It’s obvious you don’t actually have a researched opinion since you just used the wrong term for a trans woman (they said trans men, in case they edit it).

Where?

edit: oh I see, you think that because I said this:

You don’t see how this is a problem with trans men competing against women?

It invalidates my entire opinion? Replace "men" with "women" since it's clear what I'm talking about, as I have used the term trans women to refer to MtF trans people many, many times in these comments. Come on mate, grow up.

You seem to, once again, be ignoring that on top of the decrease from transitioning, they are still a human being, and thus age and practice like any other human being. From sophomore year to their redshirt senior year, they grew, trained, etc. like any athlete. Expecting them to just drop 15% or whatever from their sophomore time and never improve from that is completely idiotic.

I didn't ignore any of that lol. You're missing the point. Again - 500th ranked male time is faster than all female times. Post "transition", still faster than all females. Went from a "bad" mens swimmer to the best womens swimmer while swimming basically the same times as pre-transition. There's nothing to say that even if Lia didn't "transition" that he would have improved his times.

You unironically posted John Oliver and expected people to take it seriously lol

Who has the energy to care? assuming you’re a seppo, your country has a shit tonne more to worry about than how good someone’s chromosomes make them at putting a hockey stick in a basket from the other end of the pool

Yet here you are, caring.

Not american, and that is a pathetic way to try and kill a discussion. Just because something more important might be happening everything else should be ignored?

As long as it doesn't break any laws, sure, they can do what they want. Unfortunately for trans women who want to compete in the womens sports, there are protections for sex-specific places and things.

First, everybody should take note of the fact that you still haven’t provided a source showing that trans women have any sort of across-the-board competitive advantage over cis women in sport. I can only presume that’s because you don’t have any. Pathetic. Moving on.

Trans women are males. Males have across-the-board competitive advantages over women. This is the entire reason why womens sports exists lol.

The average male is taller, stronger, faster, has higher lung capacity, longer wingpan, better hand-eye coordination, and a million other things than the average woman. None of these things are affected at all by "transitioning" to be a trans woman. Not a single one.

Someone can have a Y chromosome, but lacking the SRY gene will develop a female phenotype.

Phenotype's do not determine sex. Again - chromosomes do. If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male and always will be a male. You do not seem to understand the difference between biological sex and characteristics that are usually associated with a specific sex.

You missed the point about the slower times. The point was that the times of a ~500 ranked male are faster than the times of the number 1 ranked female. You don’t see how this is a problem with trans men competing against women?

Thomas’ times only decreased by roughly 2-3% after transition. Male swimmers are on average 10-15% faster than women’s. This shows that male physical advantage doesn’t just disappear, as should be obvious simply by looking at the physical differences between males and females.

You act like you’re not participating in this “culture war” as much as I supposedly am lol.

You said it’s barely affecting anyone. I posted evidence that it affects hundreds/thousands of people. You dismiss it based on you thinking you remember something lol Even if it did count every medal twice, which you’ve provided no evidence to show it even counted a single one twice, it’s still thousands of women affected.

Incorrect.

Before transitioning, Thomas was nationally ranked #462 in the NCAA men’s official swimming competitions. After transitioning, Thomas jumped to #1 in the NCAA women’s category.

Lia Thomas jumped up from around 500 in mens to 1 in womens while having slower times than when ranked ~500 in the mens. That says all that needs to be said.

Yeah righto, you haven’t got a clue what you’re on about but because you’re an entitled fuck with an opinion, you’re just putting it out there as confidently as you can because you’re hoping people will uncritically agree with it since it reaffirms their priors.

I absolutely know what I'm talking about, because it's basic human biology and physiology.

Biological sex is malleable.

100% incorrect. No amount of hormones can ever change your sex. You're equating having boobs to being female, or getting a deep voice to being male, which is just absurd. Your sex is written in every single cell of your body, and it can never change. If you honestly believe what you just wrote, you really should go and get some help.

Secondary sex characteristics != sex. No one in the history of the world has ever changed sex. Never. Not a single person. It is biologically impossible in the human race.

I’m really curious as to what, specifically, you think determines sex.

Your chromosomes. Got a Y? You're a male. Just X's? Female. What do you think determines sex?