FreedomAdvocate

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[–] FreedomAdvocate -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Weight and height classes exist

Not in every sport. Are there weight and height classes in track and field? Football? Soccer?

Also would you be ok with a man and a woman facing off in Boxing or MMA just because they're the same weight?

The near absence of trans people in sport, tends to indicate this really isn’t much a of a thing to begin with

It's becoming more and more prevalent, don't pretend like it isn't. If it isn't stopped there will be no women in the womens divisions of sports, only trans women.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/un-study-reveals-transgender-athletes-have-won-nearly-900-medals-in-womens-competitions-united-nations-sports-lgbt-gender-identity-title-ix-athletics

WASHINGTON (TNND) — The U.N. says transgender athletes competing in women's athletic events have won nearly 900 medals over their competitors, according to the results of a study obtained by The National News Desk (TNND).

The 20-page document examined “violence against women and girls in sports” and claims more than 600 biologically female athletes have lost at least 890 medals to transgender competitors. These defeats occurred in over 400 competitions in 29 sports, though authors did not specify specific events, levels of competition or time periods.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 1 year ago

That's precisely why we have sports separated by sex now though - because otherwise it's all men up the top and all the women down the bottom.

Would you be ok with, for example, mixed sex boxing or mma?

[–] FreedomAdvocate -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The decisions should be made by people who know the sport and decide what fair competition might look like, not by asshole politicians looking to push an agenda.

So they should be able to do whites-only competitions? Most of the NBA and NFL are black, so that's not "fair" to white people is it? So they should be able to do whites-only competitions by your logic.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My understanding is that there is absolutely no evidence that trans women have an advantage.

Your understanding is very incorrect.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

No one goes from 500th to 1st year over year competing against the same people lol.

[–] FreedomAdvocate -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So they should go for it and if it’s like a clear difference. Idk. Address it then.

This is what's happening, and this is why trans women are being banned from competing in womens sports more and more the world over. Watching a alleged man beat up women with ease in the olympic boxing seems to have been the tipping point for most people that were still on the fence.

[–] FreedomAdvocate -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

after enough time at typical female hormone levels muscle mass generally decrease to be inline with cis women.

Muscle mass != strength though. Also someone that is physically larger isn't going to have their muscle mass shrink to that of someone that is a foot shorter.

but conceivably there are sports where transmen might be at an advantage, where a typically lighter smaller frame may be a win.

The complete abscense of trans men in male sports competitions says this isn't a thing.

There are also so few trans people competing at a competitive level that as someone who lives outside the american culture wars and tends not to give a shit about sport, it always seems like an such a waste of effort to make a drama out of it

"Drama" needs to be made out of it before it becomes the norm, and by "drama" I mean it needs to be assessed properly based on science, biology, and reality and have a decision reached for the future. Make no mistake - if trans women are allowed to compete with women in professional sport, and even at a high school level, eventually it will be just all trans women in the womens divisions with no "cis" women with the rate at which people are coming out as trans.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We play sports for fun. Let whoever organizes the event decide.

This completely ignores competitive sport.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Women actually aren’t as inferior to men as you seem to think.

Physically yes, they are. This isn't new or controversial. It is the entire reason why we have womens categories in sports in the first place. There are countless videos and stories of things like the USA womens olympic soccer team playing against boys high school soccer teams and getting thrashed. Not just losing, oh no - getting annihilated......by high school boys. Any average boys high school basketball team would win the WNBA championship without losing a single match. The worst college male college basketball player would win the MVP of the WNBA unanimously (if the judges were fair of course, which we know they're not since someone voted for Angel Reese as the rookie of the year lol).

You pick any female athlete. I’ll challenge her at her preferred sport, and I’ll bet against myself 99/100 times.

That says more about you than anything else. I would absolutely beat many olympic womens athletes at their sports with the minimal training I've done, because well we can see how fast they are, how much they can lift, etc - and their records and performances are way behind the mens, and I would bet my life savings on me beating them.

For example, in the USA in 2024 alone, the 10 fastest high school boys 100m sprinters ran faster than the Womens Olympic gold medalist from 2024 (https://trackandfieldnews.com/2024-high-school-boys-absolute-top-10-lists/, https://www.olympics.com/en/olympic-games/paris-2024/results/athletics/women-100m ). Not by a tiny amount either - the 10th fastest male high school athlete was half a second faster than the womens gold medal winner lol. I don't know if you know much about athletics, but half a second in the 100m sprint is an eternity. It's bigger than the gap between 1st and last almost all of the time.

There are just so many examples. Back in their prime, Serena and Venus Williams both played a set of tennis against the 206th (iirc, he was just over 200) ranked male tennis player. He smoked in between points. He played them back to back. He beat them both without raising a sweat, I think it was 6-0 against one and 6-1 against the other. Each set only took like 15 minutes because they could barely even get to his serve to return it. At the time the Williams sisters both said something along the lines of womens and mens tennis basically being completely different sports because of the performance gulf between them.

What it’s really doing is dehumanizing people.

No it's not. Accepting that there are differences between sexes is just accepting reality.

How would you feel if you tried out for a team and they said YOU had to play on the other genders team?

Sports aren't based on gender, they're based on sex due to all of the reasons listed above. Gender is irrelevant since it's just an "identity", a feeling.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 2 points 1 year ago

But many, many short men have competed in the NBA and other basketball competitions to great success.

Did you know that there is no rule saying that the NBA is male-only? Women can play in the NBA. Why do you think there has never been a single female NBA player?

[–] FreedomAdvocate -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The best examples you will ever see of why people should only compete in sports against people of their sex are when there have been mixed competitions. Lets take the recent olympics for example.

In the swimming they had a mixed medley relay event. 2 males, 2 females on each team. In the first leg of the final, backstroke, 4 teams chose a male to swim and 4 chose a female. Can you guess which 4 are the females?

Let's head over to athletics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ym42lV1ka8

Woman in the lead on the last leg by probably 50m over 2nd, probably another 50m over 3/4/5.

She finished 5th.

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