Saik0Shinigami

Sorry, but we're still going to agree to disagree. Unfortunately, we can't just make up definitions and have a discussion while in complete disagreement on the definition of the word we're discussing.

Shame is WHY someone would be driven to pursue insight and self-reflection. Insight in of itself isn't something that people just attain with no other factors.

Had they been taught the implications that alcohol has on your near-term health and consciousness instead, they might have been wise enough to not drink too much out of themselves. :)

Okay? What does this have to do with shame or the current conversation? I would argue that most kids hit the hard wall of realization the morning after and have some shame about the events of the night prior... Many kids realize their shame and gain insight through self-reflection. Some wont learn anything at all... Partially because some people simply have no shame, or simply have no will to self-reflect and grow... I would argue that your own example proves my point and shows that shame is an important part of growth. Others will learn "properly" about the health risks and still not care and conduct themselves in a shameful way regardless.

Shame requires some amount of morals, integrity, and honor. Otherwise you'd fail to feel any semblance of the guilt or impropriety of your own actions. Stating that someone should be ashamed is akin to saying "you're acting without integrity/morals if you conduct yourself this way". If telling people that they're doing the wrong thing and should feel bad about it is now "banned" then you're just going to have people doing whatever they want with no social feedback at all. You can't develop the culture of habits that you're looking for unless society can police social interactions in some form.

You seem to be under some belief that with sufficient education people will just be "good" and do the "right thing" and we don't require any other pressure from any other social format to maintain the norm... That's wishful thinking IMO.

Then agree to disagree. I can reflect on a number of points in my life where I've decided that I did the wrong thing. I hold shame for those actions and use that to hold myself to better standards now. Guilt and regret is part of shame.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shame

1a: a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt, shortcoming, or impropriety

Even in your context of bringing shame to people, or attempting to impart guilt and disgrace... That's an important metric to build the exact culture of habits that you're advocating for. Most people don't care if they litter in the park. It's only after you guilt them into it that they'll do it.

But no point in going any further into this conversation. It's clear your mind is made. Have a good weekend.

Edit: clarification.

Okay? So where are you telling the top commenter that having soft power with a ceremonial monarchy is pointless?

Why is everyone getting up and arms like it matters if they have no actual power?

Shame should be abolished after all.

Shame is an emotion. You can't abolish an emotion. And shame is an emotion that a lot of people use to regulate themselves. This is a silly statement on it's face. All emotions are irrational. Are you advocating for banning emotions?

There is a good reason that old men shouldn't touch young women. Shame is one emotion that likely regulates many of those men from never doing it. Such that they would feel shame should they do such an action.

If you can't agree on that, then I'm failing to understand your point or we simply agree to disagree.

That's some dangerous assumptions you're making here... Just because there's a vocal minority that seems to fit the painting you've pictured doesn't mean that it's valid. It could easily be argued the complete opposite that those who had shame about the incident would hold onto it, internalize it... and never talk about it again. It can easily go both ways here.

But my statement was more of an answer to the implicit question of "why did I get the lifelong lesson when the others around me clearly didn't?"... That answer could be because a lot of people just don't feel shame. Doesn't have to be "they gotta be really slow or something". They didn't get the lesson... they felt no shame.

That shame gave me a lifelong lesson.

A lot of people don't feel shame...

Which would make sense from a censorship point of view as jailbreaks would be a problem. Just a filter/check before the result is returned for *tiananmen* is a much harder to break thing than guaranteeing the LLM doesn't get jailbroken/hallucinate.

8gbps here in USA... Quantum fiber.

I know of a few others in my area as well... Google Fiber, AT&T is offering 5gbps I think... Wyyerd is a local-ish one that's offering 8gbps...

Well, I could be wrong here, but I don't think I've ever seen a European outlet that did more than the 220-230v...

We're not talking about three phase setups here... Residential in the USA is commonly 120/240. Not just 120.

If we're going to talk 3-phase comparisons... then you'll see all number of setups, but the most common would be 120/208, where 3 phases are wye tapped.

But in a typical USA home you can and will find 240 volt outlets for ranges, stoves, dryers, etc... We have outlets that provide 240.

So I refute one specific point of your argument. Another commenter even says they were outright denied. And your sane and rational response is "well that doesn't matter" and you downvote me even though I was adding to the topic/discussion that you brought up?

Grow up dude.

Unfortunately for your case, you're still wrong. But that won't change your mind regardless and I'm not interested in talking to someone who acts the way you are.

I'm a snipped man... there were a lot of questions.

I don't know who told you "no questions asked", but that definitely doesn't match my lived experience.

Well it tickles me most that the username of the person who downvoted me is directly electrical engineering related... They should have understood everything I said and realized it was accurate.

But instead hurr durr American!