dragonfucker

relatively disconnected

https://www.odysseytraveller.com/articles/ancient-aboriginal-trade-routes-of-australia/

Trade was a central part of life for Aboriginal people prior to the British settlement of Australia. Trading routes criss-crossed the nation, dispersing goods, information, technologies and culture thousands of kilometres away from their origins.

‘The lines are the way the history stories travelled along the trade routes. They are all interconnected. It’s the pattern of the sharing system.’

This trading of songs can be thought of as a trading of intellectual property to assist travelling. Aboriginal people travelled a lot. They renewed and created relationships and socialised at small ceremonies and huge gatherings. They travelled for seasonal harvests on land, in rivers or at sea, either seeking or avoiding dominant weather events. If you knew the songs, you held knowledge of the land to aid navigation as well as find water and food resources.

They weren't as different from you as you think.

Being an internationalist doesn't mean you don't write to an audience. Marx was a very European man with European subconscious biases, and the readers who provided the most feedback on his ideas were Europeans. Writing to an audience is inevitable in the process of creating a work. Ideology doesn't change the practical truths of the work. As a materialist, you should understand that.

Drag didn't accuse Marx of disrespecting indigenous communism, drag's argument is based on the fact Marx didn't. How many times did you read drag's comment? Try rereading it one more time than that.

Well it wouldn't make any sense for him to advocate for a return to primitive technology, because he wasn't a primitivist. He advocated for the kind of communism he could see in Europe's future. He was a European historian interested in predicting and making European history.

Your arguments are weird. You're citing the fact that Marx talked to Europeans within a European framework as evidence he didn't respect indigenous societies as communists. That doesn't make any sense. Of course he did that, it doesn't mean he thought the people he called communists weren't communists. It just means he had an area of specialisation. Drag has specialties too; drag doesn't know the first thing about Jewish communism, so drag doesn't talk about Kibbutz-es. That doesn't mean drag doesn't respect Jewish communism. Marx is the same way. Everyone is the same way about whatever part of their field they've specialised in.

Drag thinks you forgot that drag isn't an anprim again. Otherwise the last paragraph is pretty random to include.

Primitive communism and industrial communism are both communism, just like pepperoni pizza and cheese pizza are both pizza. The above quote doesn't have a qualifier because it describes both kinds of communism.

Tools are force multipliers. Hunting game is several times easier with a spear, boomerang, or bow than with bare hands. Gathering firewood is easier with a stone or copper axe.

Drag isn't an anprim. Remember that thing drag said about trying to understand the whole argument? Drag said primitive communism and industrial communism are the same communism. If drag doesn't believe in a meaningful distinction, why would drag want to avoid industrialised communism? No, your assumption doesn't make sense. It's like you forgot our whole conversation and just responded to drag's most recent message in isolation. You're probably overworking yourself, having so many arguments all the time, and that's why you can't pay attention. Slow down, breathe, and read carefully. Try to empathise. Drag's comments will still be here later. Try to get into fewer arguments so you can devote the proper attention to each one. It's disrespectful to pay so little attention.

Indigenous tribes skipped Marx's first phase and went straight to his higher phase. Exactly what Marx described happened, when early humans began organising themselves into communes instead of acting as troupes of apes. The productive forces increased alongside the development of the individual into modern homo sapiens, and all the springs of cooperative wealth flowed more abundantly. With the advanced social structures of communism, they were able to perform more technologically advanced forms of work with greater rewards, like hunting mammoths or building longhouses.

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