nonailsleft

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[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Well tbf this is a pretty shit piece.

First the author conflates that people like being in the EU with the idea that member states should integrate further in (as in cede power to) the EU. Starting off on a lie doesn't usually bode well for this kind of texts.

He claims that this offers opportunities to coordinate migration policies but when they do, it's wrong because he doesn't like the policy. He claims that they should stand strong in military defence against Russian aggression but when they do, he's against it because the moment the US suspended their aid they acted immediately instead of just waiting for checks notes the European Parliament agreeing on starting a unified EU-army.

This guy just reads like someone that wants the EU to become just like the US regarding centralization, but with his own policies instead of those inconveniently voted for by his fellow citizens.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

They were quick to add barricades the previous time they expected a mass stampede... But it´s hard to imagine them being able to hold back a million determined refugees without it looking bad on tv.

I still fear that that´s what it´ll come down to though. A lot of people are never going to forgive them if they let them out

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Also, unlimited executive power for the top dog

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Good, then we both agree the source doesn’t support the “hundreds of thousands murdered in Poland” claim.

Lol, if you want to try and move the goalposts from my "murdered Poles" to your "in Poland", I can only say that's just childish. Do you think it's better if they died in Russia?

No, I really cannot pretend knowing more about defeating fascism in Europe that the nation which ultimately defeated fascism, at the IMMENSE cost of 25 million lives in the struggle against Nazism.

Hexbear incoming. "They helped defeat the nazis so the bottom line is we can't criticize them".

Imagine how we would look at the US if they had decided it was more profitable to just team up with the nazis instead

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

That’s a book on migrations and deportations, not a book on casualties, it doesn’t seem to support a claim of “hundreds of thousands murdered” which you made in your previous comment, could you please elaborate?

Again, you’re conflating murdered with deported

It most certainly includes direct casualty numbers as well, for Poland and many other conflicts.

Great, please name one of them that doesn’t imply complete occupation of Poland by Nazis

I just can’t envision an alternative reality

Well, I think that's the main issue here. Siding with the nazis, attacking Poland in the rear when they were fighting the nazis, committing horrible crimes against the Polish population and POWs ... You really, really cannot imagine not having to do even one of those

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I get that the book you want me to read claims, like the previous poster, that the only option Russia had was to secretly team up with the nazis and attack the Poles from the rear

But my question is not so much to repeat that but to support it with arguments

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Could you paraphrase the parts of the book that would be relevant?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (10 children)

please tell me what was the alternative to Soviet occupation in Eastern Poland, once Poland rejected a mutual defense agreement against Nazis with the Soviets

There were several alternatives, actually. But most of them would start with Russia not attacking them in the rear after they moved their troops west to fight off the nazis

can you provide a source for that? I know about the Katyn massacre and about other events in which Nazi collaborators/Bourgeois Polish nationalists were killed (as well as some innocent civilians), but AFAIK the numbers don’t go that high

Yeah sure, here's one that estimates between 250k and 1.5m (but which I believe also includes post-war)

But I presume that if you're the type that already convinced themselves that all these murdered Poles "must have deserved it" in one way or another, then that number probably couldn't be high enough anyway

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

Not to defend the flawed comparison with Trump's treason, but that's a very useless take on the M-R pact...

Stalin could have

  • not promised the nazis to attack the Poles from the rear
  • not attacked the Poles from the rear
  • not murdered hundreds of thousands of Poles after high-fiving the nazis after having succesfully attacked the Poles from the rear

I think all of these alternatives would have been more desirable than, well, actively teaming up with the nazis

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[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're going after Hamas fighters and hostages