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Regardless, 4chan is in the US. UK has no power here.

If the US legal system recognizes that a company in the US is doing business in the UK, then the US legal system will view the UK legal system as having jurisdiction and enforce rulings against them from the UK's legal system.

4chan's argument here is going to be that they don't meet that bar. I expect that 4chan is most-likely going to be able to successfully make that argument, but the "doing business" bit does matter.

Note that while the US does not recognize a US based server as being under foreign jurisdiction just due to being accessible in that country, there are also some subtle rules that can cause it to be considered to be doing business there by the US legal system, even if they don't have a physical presence there and are not directly selling product there. One of those is targeted advertising to people in that foreign country.

I don't know whether selling ads aimed at people in a country qualifies. It may not, or that bit might not have been hammered out by courts yet, but if I were 4chan, I'd be really careful on that, as they're explicitly mentioning that they have a British userbase on that ad sales page:

Location: United States (47%), United Kingdom (7%), Canada (6%), Australia (4%), Germany (4%)

If you don't find one that fits your particular wants, you could start a Lemmy (or Mbin, or PieFed) instance that follows whatever rules you want. If it's targeting a particular policy, might make it explicit in the instance sidebar/rules/etc.

Hmm. I'm in the US, but I think my favorite style is the Dutch style, which has that streusel topping with brown sugar and cinnamon.

That being said, I don't know whether Dutch apple pie actually originated in the Netherlands.

kagis

Hmm. Well, I don't see anything that clearly indicates that, though it looks like the Dutch did make apple pie without strusel topping, at least at one point:

https://www.historicalcookingclasses.com/oldest-dutch-apple-pie/

The first printed Dutch cookbook appears in 1514 in Brussels . It is called Een notabel boecxken van cokeryen (a notable book of cookery). It is filled with many tasty recipes involving the use of luxurious products, and it also has a great apple pie recipe. The apples are richly seasoned and cooked in a luscious layer of dough. The spices used to season these apples are the most expensive ingredients in the 16th century. Back then, this was a pie that was only eaten by the richest people in town. Nowadays, everyone can enjoy it.

investigates further

https://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-features/article/Regardless-of-true-origin-Dutch-apple-pie-a-6652475.php

These guys think that what we call Dutch apple pie in the US may be actually a development in the US fusing various European dishes:

Many pies will grace the Thanksgiving buffet today, and perhaps one of them is a Dutch apple pie, topped with a buttery, crumble crust laced with chopped walnuts.

The name Dutch, however, is a bit of a modern-day misnomer.

The etymology of these names have historic roots that pervade the ties of colonialism in the New World and old European traditions. The term Dutch, now used specifically to identify people from The Netherlands, was once used interchangeably to describe people from both Germany and The Netherlands.

The Dutch and Germans each had their own version of an apple pie that would include a lattice crust or be more cake-like in consistency.

"Dutch apple pie is not Dutch. Our 'appeltaart' is either more cake-like or made with a buttery crust," says Peter Rose, a food historian and author specializing in Dutch cuisine.

But where did Dutch apple pie originate, and why the walnuts?

"The Netherlands certainly has walnuts and perhaps adding those makes it Dutch. In his book of 1655, Adriaen van der Donck remarks on the quality of the walnuts here. The Dutch are and were very fond of nuts. In New Netherland (the Dutch American colonies), it was customary to offer 'nuts ready cracked' to visitors," says Rose.

Black walnut trees grew with abundance in the Northeast — one of the few sources of nuts — and the American ideal of "make it do," paired with the availability of the nuts, apples, sugar (thanks to triangle trade stops in Albany, where rum was made for British bastions in New York and western Massachusetts) easily led to pie (which was more of a breakfast food at the time.)

Beyond that, dairy farming as an industry didn't begin in America until the 1800s, and butter was used sparingly. (Many apple pie recipes from the time will call for a touch of cream, but not butter.) Making a simple strudel of sugar and walnuts, a technique long employed in Europe, could replace the top crust and save the precious golden butter for other uses.

As New York settlers began to move into Pennsylvania, they took with them the habit of crumb toppings on pie. In her book, "The Lost Art of Pie Making," Barbara Swell lists various Pennsylvania Dutch pies with crumb toppings (like shoefly, vanilla custard and sour cherry), stating that most of the original pies in the area are the unique cake-pie combination Germans were known for.

Many of the settlers in that area were also French Huguenots, who brought with them a tendency toward flakier, crispy doughs and crusts that we associate with pie today. The claim can be made that modern Dutch apple pie actually has French-colonist-in-Pennsylvania origins.

Hmm. So maybe Dutch apple pie derives from a dish that started in England, has a crust from France, a cake crumb topping from Germany...but that the fusion probably happened in the US, maybe in part due to limited availability of butter in the early US. So at least my favorite form of apple pie probably was developed in the US, though it was a fusion of various European dishes.

The only place I've seen Foster's Freezes are in California.

kagis

https://fostersfreeze.com/locations/

It looks like they never expanded out-of-state, so probably not an option for OP.

Dairy Queen:

https://www.dairyqueen.com/en-us/locations/

4156 locations

Well, if you've ethical issues with ranching, there is an ice cream option!

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/02/25/134056923/breast-milk-ice-cream-a-hit-at-london-store

Breast Milk Ice Cream A Hit At London Store

Anyone pining for some ice cream in London now has an unusual option to consider: ice cream made from mothers' breast milk. The Icecreamists shop has made headlines for using milk from as many as 15 women to make its new "Baby Gaga" flavor.

That'd work!

If you really must waste resources on your feet, I recommend cutting up an old, used tire.

https://www.instructables.com/Tire-Sandals/

First, forget about using steel belted tires.  Just don’t try it.  They are HARD to cut no matter how you do it and it is dangerous with tiny bits of steel flying around your face and eyes.  Not to mention that eventually you will get a sliver of steel in your finger or foot.  If you have ever gotten steel in your finger, you know how aggravating that is.

There are plenty of nylon belted tires you can use.  The most common source is the little donut spare tires in newer cars.  These are the ones marked ‘Temporary Use Only and Don’t drive over 45 miles per hour.’  The reason being, they are not steel belted.  You can get these at the junkyard or just steal one out of your neighbor’s car when they are unloading groceries.

Trivia: while the phrase "American as apple pie" is a thing, it's something of a misnomer. Apples aren't New World, and apple pie was a thing prior to Europeans heading over to the Americas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple

Apples have been grown for thousands of years in Eurasia before they were introduced to North America by European colonists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie

Originating in the 14th century in England, apple pie recipes are now a standard part of cuisines in many countries where apples grow.

Apple pie was brought to the colonies by the English, the Dutch, and the Swedes during the 17th and 18th centuries.

Although originating in England and eaten in Europe since long before the European colonization of the Americas, apple pie as used in the phrase "as American as apple pie" describes something as being "typically American".[31][32] In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, apple pie became a symbol of American prosperity and national pride. A newspaper article published in 1902 declared that "No pie-eating people can be permanently vanquished."[33] The dish was also commemorated in the phrase "for Mom and apple pie"—supposedly the stock answer of American soldiers in World War II, whenever journalists asked why they were going to war. Jack Holden and Frances Kay sang in their patriotic 1950 song "The Fiery Bear", creating contrast between this symbol of U.S. culture and the Russian bear of the Soviet Union:

We love our baseball and apple pie
We love our county fair
We'll keep Old Glory waving high
There's no place here for a bear

Maybe we should use "American as chocolate chip cookies"

those were invented in the US.

I guess one could invent some sort of mechanical cranked device that maybe has multiple people cranking and some sort of geared system to combine their inputs and produce the same level of mixing as an electrically-driven system.

It sounds like Dairy Queen technically sells what was sold as "ice milk", since it has a lower butterfat content than "ice cream", until the federal government removed that classification in 1995:

https://www.mashed.com/1408082/what-happened-ice-milk/

The Reason Ice Milk Isn't A Thing Anymore

Many current popular frozen desserts were once categorized as ice milk and more in fast food restaurants than most people realize. According to Dairy Queen, its soft serve cannot be labeled ice cream because it only contains 5% butterfat and was called ice milk until the FDA eliminated the category. "DQ® soft serve fits into the 'reduced-fat' ice cream category and our shake mix qualifies as 'low-fat' ice cream," it states.

Dairy Queen is far from the only fast-food chain that doesn't actually carry ice cream — at least not the legal definition. The next time you order a Chick-fil-A's Icedream or McDonald's ice cream, you're eating the modern version of ice milk.

It sounds like ice milk is more prone to ice crystal formation than ice cream.

I don't know if it's possible to do a Blizzard by hand crank. Like, even if you had the same mix, it might require more-vigorous machine mixing to keep the mixture smooth.

And I bet even if they did someone would be snarky about how milk tastes better if you milk your own cow for it instead of buying it.

That's why you just grab a few buddies and some axes and chainmail and raid a farmstead, let the farmer class do the herding and milking. Though that does raise the difficult issue of how far you're willing to travel on your raid to get the best milk.