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Maybe it's time to see Eurovision for what it really is. I think Americans are starting to see what the Nobel Peace Prize is all about as well.
What? What are either of these things really? I'm so confused.
It's political.
Think about it like wrestling. Everybody is a character, nothing is real, but they really need you to believe it is. It's all an act to keep your attention.
It's all fucking keyfabe. On television all the politicians will act like they hate each other however as soon as the cameras are off. It's buddy, buddy time.
I understand in a democracy, there has to be discussions and comprise. The problem is that politicians don't do it on television to dispel the fantasy that they all hate other.
I'm not exactly sure what they're getting at, but I did see someone from the Nobel Peace Prize committee call for Maduro's removal just as the US has been ramping up its "anti-narcotics" operations in around the oil and lithium rich country, complete with extra judicial killings of Venezuelans, telling other nations to avoid their airspace and very recently seizing an oil tanker ship...
So it kinda feels like the Nobel Peace Prize committee is trying to add justification to the cause for war that the US is trying to drum up, which is wantonly egregious, so maybe they're implying that both the Nobel committee and Eurovision are tacit supporters and backers of imperialism.
I mean Maduro is pretty bad. If that statement was just about him, I don't see the issue. They seemed to quite dislike everything Trump was doing.
The most confusing part about that statement was Americans seeing what the Nobel prize is. They especially should stfu after electing that shit-show XD
The peace prize did seem pretty pointless since Obama won it for doing nothing. Like don't get me wrong I voted for the guy and wanted him to win, but it was pretty dang empty to give him the peace prize, especially since he then went on to be in charge while some really ugly stuff went down.
They gave it to Kissinger too.
The fact that they gave the peace prize to that fucking war criminal says all you need to know.
Oh wow that's really gross, I had no idea
Yeah in hindsight it was a silly award that felt like a “thanks for not being Bush and Cheney” prize.
Now look into how many bombs were dropped under Bush/Chaney, and then how many were dropped under Obama. You'll quickly understand what the Nobel Peace Prize was for.
Or, you know, that 8 years is longer than 6 years.
You’re saying that there was no Afghan war for the first 10 months of Bush’s admin and no Iraq war for the first two I take it?
Even with that factored in, from what I can tell the Bush admin dropped nearly double (100k for Obama vs 200k for Bush), although I’m not sure where they’re sourcing their information from.
It's a weird argument, because he got the peace prize really early into his presidency; before he could have an impact to get America to drop 100k bombs vs 200k, but also dropping a hundred thousand bombs seems like a hundred thousand more bombs than one would have to drop to be called a paragon of peace...
Oh for sure, I just don’t think it makes sense to imply he was worse than the people that created the mess in the first place who also happened to drop more bombs.
Where are you getting your numbers from, cause what I'm seeing is that America dropped way more bombs under Obama than under Bush.
I think I’m wrong upon further review because Obama pulled back from ground commitments and compensated with bombing campaigns. From what I can tell the Isis bombing campaigns really brought his count up as well.
He didn't do nothing, he specialized in illegal drone strikes.
They gave him the peace prize way before that though. Almost like a prize for winning the election
Yeah, this was my point with the "nothing" statement. Obama oversaw and approved some absolutely horrendous things.
Yep, drone strikes meant killing without having to worry about bad news cycles with dead Americans
USA pllitics aside, the world would be a little brighter with Maduro and his regime out of Venezuela
People said the same of Sadam. Trust me, more imperialism can make it worse.
So you say. But it's up to the people of Venezuela do decide that and then act upon it, not the deranged USA administration.
Of course, but thats another thing. Americans are sick people.
The problem with ellection in Venezuela is that they are stupidly rigged. It is said that Maduro lost the last one 70-30, and expatriates were not allowed to vote alleguing bs reasons. (Those are ~5 million voters that were heavily sided against maduro). If thats true, Venezuela has to "decide" by storming the streets at this point
Still up to them. Being a foreigner you may even cheer for either side, as long as you don't send armies there to plunder and murder.
I will state this cause i think it may be subject of misinterpretation: i stated "decide" in comas because maduro lost the last 2 elections (the first one may be arguable, the second one was scandalous) and nothing changed, not because they should be "coopted to decide" or something.
And just to clarify, the USA should stay out of venezuela
I thought I read they did storm the streets of Caracas, during the last Trump admin, in support of Maduro, during a previous coup attempt.
Like the US got caught sponsoring mercenaries and trying to ship in a load of guns to start a coup. I don't imagine everything is peachy in Venezuela, but I do wonder how much of that is due to meddling by foreign powers versus corruption.
News in Latin America is hard to trust one way or another, because it always seems like it's being twisted to support one goal or another. Like, I know the state media is biased, but I also know the Western media is eager to support bloodthirsty actors who want to pillage their resources.
in most cases yes… but not if the plan is just to turn Venezuela into an all you can eat buffet for the American regime
You mean like how Libya is so much better now without Qaddafi? 🤡
No? Are you slow or something? You people have to stop watching the world in black and white.
You need to learn from history.
You need to touch grass
Okay, you were given two examples of why this is bad (Qaddafi, Sadam). Here's another: Syria was a stable and semi-prosperous country before the meddling began, and then it was turned into a basket case. It took over ten years to depose Assad, and in the meantime their economy has been obliterated and half a million people died.
These are just the recent examples, there are so many more: Sukarno in Indonesia, Allende in Chile, Lumumba in Congo, over and over and fucking over the US comes and fucking destroys countries in the name of "liberating" the people. Your government programs you to hate these "regimes" but they're actually stabilizing forces, and without them everything is worse.
Making things worse is the point. If they can't install a puppet regime friendly to US interests they'll settle for turning the country into another basket case, because taking Venezuela's oil off the market raises prices (and thus profits)
And Trump is already promising to do the same fucking thing in Colombia! It's so nakedly evil, and you just lap it up like a dog. The US's internal politics don't even matter, this is bipartisan.
Damn you are slow!
Talking to you is self harm.
Ah, i thought you already knew, you were talking alone.
So long as fucking tRump goes with him.
Maybe someone can convince them to hold a cage match to determine the winner? Or some other form of 1v1 duel?
Why is that? The woman who won the prize is a car right extremist. What has Maduro done badly?
Reading about the "Cultural Cold War" will very quickly explain it to you. They're both a propaganda arm of the MIC.
if there's something i love more than allah it's eurovision
they loves gays