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Rebecca Joynes is currently serving a six and a half year prison sentence

A teacher who was convicted for having sex with two boys, becoming pregnant by one, has been banned from the profession.

Maths teacher Rebecca Joynes, 31, was jailed for six and a half years in July last year after being found guilty of six counts of sexual activity with a child, after sleeping with one pupil before falling pregnant by a second while on police bail.

The Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) convened earlier this month via a virtual hearing, which Joynes did not attend, to consider her professional conduct. A panel recommended she be banned from teaching.

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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says? They were underage, ergo could not give consent, ergo it was rape. Also power dynamics teacher pupil makes it even more rapey

Why is this downvoted?

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 91 points 2 days ago (5 children)

In the UK, the definition of rape requires penetration from the offending party by their genitalia. So unless the teacher has a monster clit she used to anally penetrate the boys, the definition of rape can't apply. For that there's the broader definition of sexual assault.

Journalists, since their purpose is to serve the public with the truth, have to really carefully choose their words as using the wrong legal term can get them in hot water - libel lawsuits and such, not to mention accusations of trying to shape the public's opinion, and so on.

So yeah, you'll rarely find directly said out statements in the news as most journos will try to get to as close to the definition as possible without exposing themselves to legal action. That's why you'll often see e.g. statements like "the purported killer" even if there's clear evidence of the person being the murderer, simply because the case hasn't been judged yet therefore the legal term murderer - which requires a conviction - cannot be applied, and using it before the trial even happens is a big no-no.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you that if it was a man with two young girls, the article would be going on the offensive much quicker, and even here they should've used the term "sexually assaulted" instead of "had sex with", but specifically the term rape cannot apply here.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for the informative reply. As a layman in another country who isn't worried about specific local laws, I'd like to add that she raped at least two children.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

New York had (has?) a similar distinction. It came up in the E Jean Carrol saga; specifically Trump suing for defamation after her lawsuit, because it wasn’t- technically- rape.

IIRC it was dismissed with the judge saying that it fits the modern lay definition of rape and that’s not defamation.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

They didn’t call it “sexual assault” either, so I’m inclined to not accept that excuse.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

by their genitalia

So the IDF can bring their dogs and iron bars, to the UK, and that's not rape...

... Gets me wondering wtf law makers in the UK are up to.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago

The UK's law is precedent based. The definition of rape thus goes back all the way to the 1800s (like many other restrictive laws that need to be revisited, e.g. classifying any transportation device with any kind of engine, i.e. not human or animal propelled, as a vehicle thus forcing the owners of e.g. low end e-scooters to have licences, registration, insurance etc. without providing the framework for any of these), wherein rape was almost exclusively committed by men, therefore lawmakers found it proper to define it as penetration of the victim using one's genitalia - in a way to differentiate from "lesser" sexual assaults like flashing someone or forcing their hands on said genitalia.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

by their genitalia.

So, like not using an object of some sort?

Journalists, since their purpose is to serve the public with the truth, have to really carefully choose their words as using the wrong legal term

Still seems like a more generic term such as "sexual assault" would be applicable here.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

It would, but that's a very broad term. I expect they were trying to be specific, but only succeeded in being forgiving in the headline.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Til. So in the UK only men (or those with dicks) can rape?

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 day ago

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says? They were underage,

Blatantly, by the very next words.

[–] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I agree, but there are libel laws to consider here. It serves no one to open yourself up to a lawsuit, especially one from which the rapist can only benefit.

Thankfully I'm not a citizen of TERF Island. She raped them.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hi! I'm not worried about being sued. She raped at least two children.

[–] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was more referring to the news outlet. Regular folks like you and I aren't much at risk of being sued for libel.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Regular folks like you and I aren't much at risk of being sued for libel.

Trump: hold my 12 year old… beer

[–] uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's only because uk libel laws are backwards and stupid.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 day ago

That’s only because uk ~~libel~~ laws are backwards and stupid.

iftfy

[–] Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 days ago

I don't think someone would win the libel case and bad cases SLAP lawsuits aren't really a meaningful thing here (we have protections against shit lawsuits)

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 21 points 2 days ago

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says? They were underage, ergo could not give consent

Underage is literally a legal definition, so clearly you do care. Calm down.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

I agree with you, my comment was meant to draw attention to the crappy law.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says?

methinks yes?

if not you, then at least journalistic integrity in the UK does