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Boiling lobsters while they are alive and conscious will be banned as part of a government strategy to improve animal welfare in England.

Government ministers say that “live boiling is not an acceptable killing method” for crustaceans and alternative guidance will be published.

The practice is already illegal in Switzerland, Norway and New Zealand. Animal welfare charities say that stunning lobsters with an electric gun or chilling them in cold air or ice before boiling them is more humane.

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[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

but doesn't solve the fundamental issue with murdering animals.

Neither does yours. Your solution is essentially murder all the animals until there are none left to murder.

At least this way the animals wouldn't be wiped off the face of the Earth.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My solution involves murdering exactly 0 animals.

Letting animals live out their lives until peaceful death is the opposite of murder.

Your solution involves a continuous cycle of exploitation and murder with no feasible end in sight.

[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Your solution involves extinction.

Extinction = murder.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No, it literally isn't?

Murder is the process of intentionally killing a living being.

The entire species is not a living being. Extinction of a species can come from murder of all its individuals, but it doesn't have to. I'm literally proposing a solution under which there is no murder happening at all, and all individuals live out their lives happily until peaceful death, more or less.

Extinction of a species is not a problem by itself, especially when the members of that species don't have the necessary mental abilities to understand the concepts of species or extinction. It can be a problem if it causes ecosystem failure, which then results in unnecessary suffering and death. But it's not a problem by itself.

What you are proposing (keeping the animal farming industry going) will involve a lot of murder of animals, whichever way you structure it, or however many "animal welfare" stickers you put on the end products.

[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Murder is the process of intentionally killing a living being.

It literally isnt.

The definition of murder is when one human being kills another human being. It has nothing to do with animals.

So if you're going to make up your own meaning for it and apply the term loosely to make your argument sound more dramatic then I can too.