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Rebecca Joynes is currently serving a six and a half year prison sentence

A teacher who was convicted for having sex with two boys, becoming pregnant by one, has been banned from the profession.

Maths teacher Rebecca Joynes, 31, was jailed for six and a half years in July last year after being found guilty of six counts of sexual activity with a child, after sleeping with one pupil before falling pregnant by a second while on police bail.

The Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) convened earlier this month via a virtual hearing, which Joynes did not attend, to consider her professional conduct. A panel recommended she be banned from teaching.

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep. Blows my mind. Would love to know what the hell triggered people to downvote, and what triggered a moderator to delete it [1].

Clearly, either some kind of misunderstanding, [and/]or, they're complicit in the crime and favouring the conflation that serves children and underage teenagers to them, and wanting to challenge the threat to their Lolita express embedded in this conflationary cultural trope of hate [because this practice is worse than it is in law and statutes ~ which even that needs mending].

Otherwise, what's the thinking behind downvoting and deleting a post that calls for human rights and protecting children?

I failed to get any cogent argument that appeared outside these two options, misunderstanding and/or plausible complicity.

Which would not surprise, since such deviancy would be attracted to such articles, and therein no surprise that the reply tackling the issue in a manner that may actually lead to protecting children gets attacked.

Or maybe it was just a misunderstanding born of hot heads.

*shrug*

I remain open to other possibilities, and very much welcome suggestions or explanations of what else it could be. Would love to know what, if anything, was really wrong with what I said [in substance or style], or even just what was perceived as wrong, beyond all the completely inverting the point of it, like happened in most replies.

Was it removed because it was perceived as prejudice against paedophiles, and that was perceived, by the mod, as in breach of Rule 4?

Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.

I thought the point of my post was to protect children.

Curious how some of the replies to my reply blatantly and repeatedly break Rule 5

Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.

, yet they remain.

But then, beneath the rules here, it does also say:

ll posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

Would be good if mods offered reasons why. Otherwise, how are we to know? Without reason offered, to those who don't know why, it appears arbitrary, and that has several negative effects on the communication atmosphere.

I do hope I figure out what it was. I do hope it's not the vilest of answers to the situation (~ as hypothesised as a possibility: the complicity gang, attacking a threat to their supply (~ unfortunately, as it would most appear to be, in absence of reason). I'm going to be thinking about this for a while. ... How rife is the problem? Is that why it's not being mended? The entire system captured by the complicit? Or just too daunting a conceptual leap, to face the horror, that we're all complicit, by our hate, by our love, in handing our children over to the worst, increasing the value of our children to them... it's not pleasant. Don't kill the messenger ffs, or it'll keep happening. This is no time for head-in-the-sand.

[1:(annoyingly disallowing subsequent readers to make up their own mind, lending spurious weight behind all the replies that completely misunderstood/misrepresented it, cherry-picking, quoting out of context, strawmanning, etc)]

::: spoiler was it how it was worded? too challenging?

She got pregnant… So… not “paedophilia” then? Or are we still using an overly crude broad [mere statutory] brush here?

Did I miss mention of their ages in the article?

Sounds like we’d be better served by getting the terms hebephilia and ephebophilia better rooted in the lexicon. Otherwise we’re playing around with a dangerous false equivalence. Not to mention denying human rights to the largest underclass of humans, at the expense of others’ freedom and rights and more too.

Hebephilia specifically denotes attraction to early adolescents (ages 11–14), while ephebophilia refers to attraction to older adolescents (ages 15–19)…

Or maybe I misunderstand the ranges at which young boys can become fathers, and this genuinely was a case of paedophilia? Did they give informed consent? Oh that’s right, if they’re that young, they’re denied that human right, and so we hand them over to the black market to be abused, increasing their allure to rapists and blackmailers alike. >:-| We really need to come up with better ways to protect children.

(And [before anyone tries throw out spurious ugly accusations] no, I’m not saying that to wrangle the legal freedom to have at. I’m a mesophile. … And have been since very young. So it’s more than a little late for that to benefit me.)

[Edit: Seen in another reply:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/former-maths-teacher-rebecca-joynes-banned-from-teaching-after-grooming-two-school-boys/news-story/0fe2070f15e4694d585491d7ea183cdb

One kid was 15, the other 16.

She was 30 or 31.

So, ephebophilia then, by the definition above.

Though of course, the power dynamic and grooming details make this worse.]

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Too many words. People aren't reading it and just assume you're defending paedophiles. The same reason people are downvoting me as soon as they see "age of consent" and not reading the rest.

I have three news communities. Almost every active comment section has someone who argues based on the headline and nothing else. Some folks don't like to read.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

:/ yep.

My instinct is to rip their[1] throats out.

But that's part of the problem that has them hide all the more, preventing remedy, turning them more and more malignant, feeding traffickers and blackmailers.

[1: The pedos. ... Not those who don't read. Oops. Important clarification. LOL.]

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Don't want to get modded for threatening violence when ten people are telling you off and calling you a paedo.

I agree, getting rid of paedophiles means either killing or treating them. Since the death penalty is a massive human rights abuse, guess we gotta treat them.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I'm an avowed pacifist, with an ongoing oath of non-violence.

That's merely an instinct, that I'm aware of.

There's always a better way (than violence).

It's good to be aware. Both of this in myself, and how it's used societally.

Since it's recognised as a mental illness, one would think that would make it easy to have treatment be the remedy. But our love of our children, of course, has us easily reflex hatefully at those who abuse our children. And this in turn gets used as a political football, and raises the value of our children to traffickers, blackmailers, and of course, with the forbidden-fruit reverse psychology and thrill of it, child-rapists.

It gets even more difficult, beyond just prohibition not preventing (and making the good things bad and the bad things worse), in that there are dangerous precedent potentials being set in the treatment avenue, akin to the whole conversion therapy and other behaviourist (mis)treatments. Two wrongs. One may easily argue that this is by far the lesser wrong; the lesser evil, and the greater good, but it's the camel's nose back in the tent after decades of trying to get rid of it. Almost like we're being played with a problem reaction solution ploy.

And many of the other treatments more benign to those being treated, lead us back to horrors too dire to consider, for the safety of our children. We cannot supplant these same strategies used for drug use and addiction, to child abuse. There are no safe use spaces viable as solutions for this problem.

Dehumanising them, and killing them, opens the door to abuse, rife with false accusations to eliminate political opponents or any targets of bigotry... and again, increases the value of our children to the most immoral unethical abusers, accelerating that degeneracy, moral depravity, turning it into the darkest of black market industry, that perverts our entire political system, with blackmailers putting in their own kakistarch puppets.

Leaving a false equivalence of hormonal post-pubescent teenagers with youths, children, toddlers, babies, in the minds of formed masses, supplies a great many more (often eager) targets (denied the right to consent), sending them to the black market, to the worst, where they're groomed, and their johns get blackmailed, and we're back in this dangerous situation all the worse, and all our children are not just left more unsafe, but actively made more alluring targets to this abuse industry.

There are no easy answers that are good.

My original point remains loud to me...

We really need to come up with better ways to protect children.